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On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 23:31 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
It is certainly possible. Often in experimental state, but
nevertheless.
We have the technology for VMs.
Right, sounds perfect for running a build system under...
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is the first Fedora
release to have working youtube out of the box, and all the other fun
stuff webm gives us.
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is to reduce the
amount of time we spend in those meetings, and to increase clarity for
maintainers and testers as to which bugs are actually blockers. A 50%
reduction in goals in order to do it in phases doesn't sit well with me
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This was a failed experiment with fedora hosted, and I no longer need to
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Christoph
That tracker bug is not managed, and thus we can't say with any kind of
certainty that we'd take issues on the tracker.
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On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
I'm up for the challenge previously having been told it wasn't
possible for release criteria and blocker bugs ;-)
And we're still making judgment calls there, because it is very very
difficult to codify.
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looking at tickets
filed in releng requesting the builds.
Judgment calls made by releng, qa, and engineering.
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On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:00 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Since a couple of people complained, have you considered taking in the
OpenArena and Wesnoth updates? How about the Pino update? I have a
ticket in trac for it.
We took pino, we did not take the games.
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frozen rawhide style of development. I suspect we'll be better about
process and documentation next time around.
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is a bit easier
than trying to remember which bug to block and how.
I've been thinking about using flags for a couple releases now, I just
finally drafted an email about it.
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On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 18:44 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 06:27 PM, James Antill wrote:
As I said in another reply, there are currently no deltarpms for
wesnoth-data due to it's size.
Then fix this deficiency of your process and provide them.
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On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:10 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 07:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 18:44 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 06:27 PM, James Antill wrote:
As I said in another reply, there are currently no deltarpms for
wesnoth-data due
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 07:01 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 10:57 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Does that have anything to do with me adding 2 bugs to the blockers the
day before the go/no-go meeting?
Nope, not at all. It's
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 07:12 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:10 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 05/11/2010 07:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 18:44 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote:
I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to
achieve a working compromise. (And input does not equal vote)
What makes you think that no community input is considered?
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the contents of this blocker bug frequently
throughout the days as we near our go / no go decision.
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On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 01:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:05 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 07:28 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote:
I do not agree that that working with zero community input is the way to
achieve a working compromise. (And input does
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 02:12 +, Branched Report wrote:
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their vote. QA can do the same, as can developers. This can
all happen in async and more frequently than the waiting for the next
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throughout the life of that release? Making sure our
updates given to users are better tested seems to be working toward that
vision, not away from it.
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the build. Shit happens, and making
assumptions that just because the build completed that nothing went
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On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 12:04 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
So this is kind of funny. You'd rather see testing become/less/
rigorous as the age of a release grows, and you want the most rigorous
testing done in rawhide. That's quite the opposite of what many of us
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 09:07 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
So I'd love to have multi-level policy, but in my opinion it should get
harder and harder to push an update as the release gets older, not
easier.
In general
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 19:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
Bad data is worse than no data.
I disagree. As bad as the data is, it can't be worse than claiming users
want, or worse, need, conservative updates without any evidence whatsoever
as has been done!
Wrong
on developers, build
systems, testers, and even users. It's not that what you as for is
impossible, its that the work required to produce it is difficult and
too costly.
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How do you appropriately filter a fresh install?
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to dist-f13 March 2, the 2.6-5 build went in March
4th.
I've fixed up the tags here.
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are doing necessary karma and automated
testing, because humans make mistakes, no matter how much fun or not fun
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starts the push. In such cases your update would
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on, we'd have a serious backlog and almost never have a window
for doing builds without any override tags in play.
We take a measured risk with our current system, because that's the best
balance we can strike right now.
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On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 23:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
The proposals I've seen include a way to fasttrack. That is you get the
required karma between the time the update was submitted to bodhi, and
the time a bodhi admin starts the push. In such cases your update
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On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 01:58 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
Please stop banding about the forum poll as if it were some sort of
scientific measure with meaningful results one could use as a basis for
decision making.
It's the best data we have.
Bad data is worse than
of karma isn't the perfect
solution to every update, therefor we should do away with testing all
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. Please bear with us as we work together to
get Fedora 13 out the door.
¹)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507681hide_resolved=1
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better match their upstream project names, so I guess that's precedent
for Devrim's position.
regards, tom lane
It's also worth noting what other distributions do, do they honor the
upstream names or pre/postpend some sort of identifier?
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On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 23:30 +, Branched Report wrote:
Disregard this. It was sent from the future where the world has ended
and there is no Branched tree to push.
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that's where the kidding part comes in. Just a word of
caution, be very careful with -y.
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like an older xorg got pushed at the same time and the older one
won the race. I've fixed this tagging, should be fixed in the next
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massive snip
Why all of a sudden are we including the modern history of Fedora in
the changelogs?
repodiff changed recently to fix a bug with multiple updates in a single
day, perhaps that got a little out of hand?
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On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:15, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:57:00 +0100, Richard wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 05:43:07PM +, Rawhide Report wrote:
libguestfs-1.3.3-1.fc14
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I *did* put in a changelog message ...
* Sun Apr 11
on this. Heck I can't even create scratch builds
for my own testing.
You can file a ticket asking for a build target that self updates for
the purpose of performing all the builds necessary. The KDE folks have
used this method, as have others.
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and are attempting to polish and bugfix the
work previously done. We're using peers to verify fixes and prevent
regressions. This stage of development is very much not free for all,
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on yum depsolving, and
instead add explicitly which polkit you want in the comps group, so that
a provider is already selected. Yum won't select an additional one.
This is what we should do for critpath as well, mark the gnome policy
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bodhi for F13.
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this is the second slip in the Fedora 13 cycle, we have also
decided to bump the rest of our release dates by 1 week. The schedules
will be updated tonight and tomorrow to reflect these new dates.
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built for F-13, update submitted:
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updated to 0.16.1.
Can someone apply the updates and build it? I don't think I can take it
any further.
I've got the patches applied and a build going, looks like the same
thing has to be done for devel. Perhaps you should apply for
co-maintainership Quentin?
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On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 19:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
#355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain
and upgrade path
Does this one really have to wait for a meeting? It's a pretty
with.
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a real mathematician,
psychologist, etc would know better.
This unfortunately would also be a very selective set of folks, as it
wouldn't include any of our pure users, who aren't contributors via FAS.
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builds from entering the release making it
much easier to consume branched on a daily bases and work towards
polishing it up for the release.
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this?
I do not want to remain as a co-maintainer.
... are you afraid of some nebulous person stealing ownership if your
package? Why can't you release ownership and ping Michael to pick it
up, or even coordinate a day/time for this to happen?
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some
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edge release
picking up all the kinds of things Fedora is the first to integrate.
Stop trying to drag rawhide into our releases.
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Fedora to fill.
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of view difference. You take the point of view of
push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not
to.
Others take the point of view of not updating anything unless there is a
good enough reason /to/.
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they want to test (Oxf13,
18:32:19)
* Open Floor (Oxf13, 18:35:55)
Meeting ended at 18:42:20 UTC.
Action Items
* Oxf13 will do a full split media compose for QA once anaconda team has
an anaconda build they want to test
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On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 01:14 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
While it's true that some of our users appreciate the rapid stream of
updates, we may have to lose those users, or redirect them to other
avenues to rapid updates within the Fedora project and release stream
versions of packages which provide new features, but
don't just fix critical bugs, an update can still be issued, but it is
vital that the new upstream version does not regress or drastically
change a user's experience.
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listed that depends on external data providers. That
type of update is allowed.
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On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 17:59 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote:
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_Updates_Proposal
Here is the link. I'm going to start a new thread here.
Thanks for drafting this. Would
a Requires on the same in the man pages. That way any of
the things which consume man pages can satisfy the requirement, not
necessarily being man itself. Seems a little obnoxious, but if the
desire is to prevent a hard man-pages - man requirement...
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this is.
(And I also wonder with what authority you speak in the name of FESCo as a
whole. The fact that what you're saying is so clearly wrong makes this all
the more an issue.)
The proposal is for FESCo to adopt that position. It is not a statement
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that doesn't segfault upon execution? These
are the kinds of things that happen now, that AutoQA could prevent.
That makes rawhide vastly more consumable than it currently is.
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is updated 20 times a week, or about other
packages that aren't installed by default being rebased often.
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/branched-20100308/logs/critpath.txt is
the current critpath.
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in the same form, once you
submit the request it splits it into two requests, one per Fedora
release. This means you'd have one set of karma per Fedora release.
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inherited into dist-f13. I
briefly thought about this problem and then forgot it when I was setting
up the tags. I'll have to think on this some more.
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On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 16:32 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:24:24PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 11:33 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
I can't find the wiki page documenting buildroot overrides so I can't
confirm this. I thought that releng
is required, we might see an increase in karma
registered, as well as an uptick in tools development to help provide
karma (we're already seeing this in F13, one could conclude that part of
that is because karma is required for critpath packages).
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trying to settle into a groove.
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don't see any reason to rehash them here.
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I added this to the SOP as well.
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the compose
started? I don't have a history of when the block too place.
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updates, then I think that's not so specialized at all.
Some of us feel that the current rate of updates on our released
Fedoras /is/ a firehose.
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status quo?
Not every maintainer pushes the way you think they do. There /is/ no
status quo out side of chaos.
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for F6 extras.
This probably won't go well unless you two are talking about the right
terms. I believe that Michael was talking srpm numbers, where you
appear to be talking binary numbers. Those are obviously not going to
match up.
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On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 09:45 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:05:23PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:02 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Why? Because you say so? We aren't doing that stuff now and things are
working just fine, thank you very much! We
to participate in the development of the
operating system as Fedora does.
So where is that unique role? Except you mean the exact 6 month
release cycle. But who cares about that.
See above.
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to retain that reason throughout
the life of the release.
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On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:53 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
If your fonts look subtly different tomorrow, this is why...
Thanks for the heads up!
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the weekend off.
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