On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 14:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 12/01/2010 01:50 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 16:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
OK. Perhaps the wiki should be updated to state the feature works more
generically (SMBIOS 2.6+) and not for just Dell/HP
Hi Olaf,
Thanks for posting about your project.
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 10:24 +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote:
1. ifcfg files are dead
Ok. But I think we want to be very careful with this. Yes, it's nice to
use structured data formats but IMO we want to make sure sysadmins can
still edit files by hand
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 22:45 -0500, Kyle McMartin wrote:
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 04:41:47AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
The thing is, we really need to be able to boot a kernel in qemu as
non-root, and carrying around a separately compiled or packaged kernel
is
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:09 +0100, Jan Vcelak wrote:
Am I allowed to write some additional output in %pre/%post scriptlets? And
shall I use stdout or stderr? I haven't found it in guidelines.
I was always told no output allowed, which is sad. Sure, it might not
be seen in all cases. What
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 09:24 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 07:53:40AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
biosdevname installed by default, used in the installer and at runtime
to rename Dell and HP server onboard NICs from non-deterministic
ethX to clearly labeled lomX
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 13:12 -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
Quick question. I always had NFS starting on startup on a particular
rawhide box. Today it didn't, and I notice that /etc/rc2|3.d/S390nfs was
missing aswell. Did something remove these links and not replace them?
This isn't really the
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 14:14 -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 11/17/2010 02:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 13:12 -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
Quick question. I always had NFS starting on startup on a particular
rawhide box. Today it didn't, and I notice that /etc/rc2|3.d/S390nfs
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:57 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
This solution could be reverting the problem causing glibc change, or
maybe changing it to do forward memcpy's while still using the new SSE
instructions, or something more specific to the flash plugin, as long
as it will automatically
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:21 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:57 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
This solution could be reverting the problem causing glibc change, or
maybe changing it to do forward
Hi,
Quick question. I always had NFS starting on startup on a particular
rawhide box. Today it didn't, and I notice that /etc/rc2|3.d/S390nfs was
missing aswell. Did something remove these links and not replace them?
Jon.
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On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 23:35 +0100, François Cami wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:54:28 -0500
Simo Sorce sso...@redhat.com wrote:
Adam why should security updates wait at all ?
Do you fear some packager will flag as
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com)
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:09 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 11/09/2010 10:05 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 16:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 01:13 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Petr Lautrbach wrote:
systemd will be default init system in Fedora 15 and scripts
infrastructure will be adapted to it. There is a plan to leave upstart in
Fedora as
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:39 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Comparing the Ubuntu 10.04 DVD installer (which I use a couple of weeks
ago) to Fedora 13 DVD installer is like comparing the Cessna to a Boeing
747.
Sure, both can accomplish the same task. Read: transporting people from
one airport to
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 12:51 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:49 -0500,
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I think that is a misfeature. I don't want anything irreversible to be
done
until I say go.
You know that Fedora has done partitioning/mkfs
Folks,
On current rawhide (perhaps caused by upgrade from F14 beta), I'm
getting a few weirdly broken icons for notification applets. Those
applets then crash when moused over or clicked on with a SEGV that looks
to be caused by it not finding the correct icon (I did file an ABRT bug
last night
Folks,
It would seem that systemd employs some kind of arbitrary timeout (30
seconds?) by default and will log operation timed out. Terminating if
things take longer than this time to start up. I would like to know how
to increase this timeout, or to (preferably) disable it entirely.
Certain
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 10:59 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/21/2010 07:20 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote:
One thing I wanted to point out. Windows users get to install the
latest Firefox, KDE, and other apps without having
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 14:54 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
2010/9/20 Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com:
On 09/20/2010 01:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:56:56 +0200
Michał Piotrowski wrote:
You can blacklist the firewall modules - it can be critical :)
Actually, I
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 20:57 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
W dniu 20 września 2010 20:47 użytkownik drago01 drag...@gmail.com napisał:
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com:
W dniu 20 września 2010 20:03 użytkownik drago01 drag...@gmail.com
napisał:
Why?
The file is obsolete
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 21:58 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com:
2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com:
As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as
users) grows, this interdependence will grow.
Ok, so maybe
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 00:29 -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:58:53 -0400, you wrote:
2010/9/20 Micha? Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com:
Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora backports repo for these that
wants new and shiny Firefox 4, PostgreSQL 9 or whatever with big
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:18 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
While upstart is still in the repo, the initscripts package now pulls
in systemd and systemd-sysvinit.
Hey, thanks Bill.
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On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 12:41 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:20 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:05 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
The Broadcom position seems to be entirely crack-inspired, if it's based
on the notion that a binary driver
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 16:53 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:34 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jon Masters
jonat...@jonmasters.orgwrote:
Well, the US law of the land
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 12:26 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
The question I have for the abrt folks, is there any code that would
lead to a bug being filed for rawhide? If so, how is that code triggered?
I believe they claimed it was through parsing for Rawhide in the
release string value. I think
Hello,
I know, systemd got reverted for F-14. But unless I missed something,
the plan is/was to keep it the default for F-15, and in rawhide. This
means the package dependencies need to be different in rawhide please.
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On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 00:11 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
I know, systemd got reverted for F-14. But unless I missed something,
the plan is/was to keep it the default for F-15, and in rawhide. This
means the package dependencies need to be different in rawhide please.
Obviously, I just added
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I really don't see the point. A forced vote is not better than no vote
(can easily be worse). As far as I know in most countries actual laws
are passed by whoever is present in
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:04 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Nils Philippsen said the following on 09/15/2010 03:28 AM Pacific Time:
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 17:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Shouldn't ABRT be looking to a file like /etc/fedora-release to
determine the release version?
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 21:54 -0500, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
btw, I think Kyle said earlier he's standing aside. So does that mean
there now is a new FESCo election?
No, FESCo has policies in place to deal with this situation
Folks,
Just did an install of rawhide from today using mirrors.kernel.org and
F14-Alpha installer media for the Anaconda runtime.
1). There is no default runlevel
2). I'm dropped into a confused shell on boot.
3). User accounts such as root are not recognized after init 3
4). init 5 starts gdm
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:23 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
1). There is no default runlevel
2). I'm dropped into a confused shell on boot.
3). User accounts such as root are not recognized after init 3
4). init 5 starts gdm and I can then login as normal.
It might just be broken deps
Folks,
I was going to file an automated bug report, but it wants to file
against 15, which doesn't exist, rather than Rawhide (which obviously
does). I can email and ask for a version 15 to be added to Bugzilla,
etc. but is that the solution, or should ABRT be always realizing to use
rawhide and
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 12:55 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:00 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 16:57 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
I was participating in the Systemd Fedora Test Day and installed the
latest Fedora 14 build. I found a few problems (I
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 16:57 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
I was participating in the Systemd Fedora Test Day and installed the
latest Fedora 14 build. I found a few problems (I will file bugs) but
before I file a bug about NetworkManager, can someone please tell me how
I'm supposed to configure
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:47 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:33 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Where do you see somebody proposing that no updates be issued? Where do
you see somebody proposing a setup where fixing a graphics card can't be
done in the stable release
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 18:18 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 17:39:11 Jesse Keating wrote:
On 8/31/10 6:57 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
there's no reason why 1.8 won't be ok after 2-3 weeks in updates-testing
An update that changes behavior for the end user would
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 13:45 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 20:41 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Great stuff. And there's more in there too. So the current User_base in
addition to being not very well linked and referenced could hardly be
described as reflecting all of the views
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 09:03 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
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On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
than the fire hose we have now are silently
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 21:56 +0200, Sven Lankes wrote:
As I've said, on systems not directly connected I just don't bother
doing updates ever. I suspect before too long some effort will get
formed to do a more stable version of Fedora
Don't we already have that in F n-1?
Even that isn't
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers
and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule.
It's called Laissez-faire meets reality. Right now we have a lot of
free market philosophy in Fedora that
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:11 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
Now, if we Fedora should be a distribution that developers enjoy using,
there will be an updates firehose - and most developers won't mind too
much. If Fedora should be a distribution that developers can install on
their grandparents'
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 19:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote:
I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that
mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is
most unstable just
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 18:58 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
What Fedora advertised is ..., Features, First - that's a developer's
distro; Fedora was never M million happy users, growing X% annually.
For what it's worth: the
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:56 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote:
A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are
working on to be _very_ up to date -
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Paul W. Frields wrote:
My hunch is that a couple thousand a week are probably due to cable
modems or laptops moving to addresses we simply haven't seen before.
That's about how many new IPs appear for Fedora 7 or Rawhide each
week.
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 16:37 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Ah yes, attack the symptom and not the disease. Yay. Let me let you in
on a secret. Most people (and by which I mean, those not on this list)
generally don't like re
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say yep, we
just love the churn, the number of updates and so forth, then fine. If
they say actually we'd like less
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be,
specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that.
Don't follow the market or worry about being the most popular distro
(unless that's really a goal
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:39 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say yep, we
just love the churn, the number of updates
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:00 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Jon Masters wrote:
But I feel it is design by committee now, just the Open Source
version. A small group of people (f-d-l and similar) arbitrarily decide
what the userbase wants without asking them, and based
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:00 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:52:30 -0400
Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
So I'm filing another FESCo ticket as I type this. They can decide
to reject my proposal again, in which case I will bring it up with
the Fedora Board
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:08 +, Matej Cepl wrote:
With the old network service it was still possible to manually use
iwconfig and wpa-supplicant and therefore WPA. Or to create a OpenVPN
tunnel, which I would prefer more than using WPA in terms of security.
But with NetworkManager
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:17 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a
desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like
mine), I don't want to have to do
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 07:23 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
I have an MTA installed because I expect to get emailed logs, and root@
does go somewhere. Now, there are a couple of things I should admit:
1). I
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 12:20 +0200, Christof Damian wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 23:06, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote:
If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a
workstation user like it.
[citation needed]
I asked
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 17:06 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I reboot virtual machines all the time, certainly 100 times a day
would not be unusual on a work day.
Not an argument for or against systemd BTW, just an observation that
how you use your computer is not how others use their
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 18:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:31:30AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
[...@constitution ~]$ uptime
09:28:22 up 24 days, 16:32, 9 users, load average: 1.17, 0.50, 0.37
So you're running an insecure kernel? Our security churn is bad
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:09 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:58:50AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Why are you complaining? If your package needs an MTA - put in a Requires!
If we follow the general state of things: if a package might need
something, toss it in as
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:36 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:19 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
My previous objection was based on the precedent it sets. I don't want a
Desktop distribution in Fedora. I want a server-usable distribution.
Sure, it's just a dep and one
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 15:16 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
On Tue, 24.08.10 15:55, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
This is a very big change. chkconfig has worked for a long, long time. Its
elegance and simplicity is one
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 17:54 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:52 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 05:43:49PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
that seems like a bit of odd logic. The logs are emitted to syslog with
the same thought in mind - that someone
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 02:44 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jeff Garzik wrote:
Isn't network needed for people who don't run NetworkManager?
The idea is that everybody should run NM. :-)
When it works reliably in all situations. I get a choice. Usually, I
will have NetworkManager installed on a
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:10 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote:
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its been discussed in the past but there's been reasons not to
drop a default MTA but now that cronie (the last actual dependency)
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:54 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
Whatever we do please make it an option NOT to have any window splat
on the screen anywhere - let it stay in the system tray and not
interfere with my work.
It gets worse. I frequently come back to a desktop on which my
girlfriend
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 20:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 03:15:11PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
What's the benefit of having no default MTA at all? Is it that Desktop
users don't care about MTAs being installed? what about those of us who
care more about server
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:46:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The lesser of 2 evils is no solution. Only NO evil at all will keep the
user's freedom. Users should NEVER use proprietary software, be it as
JavaScript or using a
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 11:46 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
I mentioned this on:
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/
Nice. This is cool. Perhaps one of the TG folks here can also whip out a
prototype web page view of apps, with a logo having a screenshot a la
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 13:06 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
There is a web app store in PackageDB, which seems to have all of this:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/
yes, I know.
And you'll notice that the pkgdb can generate a sqlite db of tags and
ranking info that yum can use if the
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 02:32 -0400, Naveen Kumar wrote:
Can we use .swf files to develop open source applications?
I strongly doubt that this is a good idea. There are non-Adobe runtimes,
but to get most of the good stuff you need to lock into their one. It's
much worse than trying to get a
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:39 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
Would an 8[1] month cycle cause fewer slips per release? Fewer bugs?
Personally, I'd like to see a 9-12 month cycle. Much as I'm sure
everyone out there instantly upgrades every system the moment a new
release comes out, and doesn't mind a
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 18:35 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use
all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for
Then
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 20:35 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Colin Walters wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
I think the bigger question is why are we doing this?
There's some motivation here:
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:22 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Leadership means making careful, well-conceived decisions. Otherwise, it's
not leading, it's charging around blindly shouting follow me!.
I'll leave the rest of the thread to Matthew and Mike McGrath, since
they seem to share my position
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 14:30 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 04:26:14PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 20.07.10 16:04, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote:
I am not entirely sure though why those processes actually access those
dirs in this
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:35 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Luke Macken lmac...@redhat.com writes:
Critical path package[0] updates now require positive karma from two
proventesters[1], and a single +1 from one other community member.
Even for security updates? My experience says that this
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:52 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
Is it reasonable for a package owner to exclude themselves on bugzilla
email when they are the assignee of the bug? How would they know when
a new bug is reported, or when new comments are added?
It can be reasonable-ish. I use
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 15:10 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 10:05:49AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:52 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
Is it reasonable for a package owner to exclude themselves on bugzilla
email when they are the assignee
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 14:05 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 04:02:21PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you
do updates for it sanely (if at all.)
Yea. I think you don't do updates for it in general. I think I
Folks,
There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted
updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the
rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed to a spare volume during
install such that there's always a rescue/Live boot option that can boot
up to a
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:54 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) said:
There are various projects implementing LiveCD, rescue, or snapshotted
updates. I would like to propose a feature in which some of the
rescue/LiveCD bits are (optionally) installed
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 13:03 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
Hm. I can see the use of this, but I can also see issues with how you
do updates for it sanely (if at all.)
Why would you do updates for it? Your install CD/DVD to use for rescue
boot doesn't get updated. I'd think you'd just
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 21:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort
of rescue initramfs ...?
Or if you are able to run a little bit of C code[1] and can read
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 15:39 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
Jon Masters wrote:
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 21:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort
of rescue
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:47 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 06/02/2010 04:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
That said, of course eventually you could have two of these images and
allow for them to be upgraded, etc. etc. To start with though, I think
there's a lot of value in pre-committing
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:04 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Eric Sandeen wrote:
Is it better to have a separate volume for this, or to just have a sort
of rescue initramfs ...?
Seems like the latter is more flexible but then I'm no boot process wizard.
Good suggestion.
Another
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 15:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jeremy Sanders wrote:
You're suggesting hammering shut the insides of linux to stop people
playing around and reducing freedom - sounds like you want Fedora to be
like the products of other large propitiatory systems.
C code can be
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 08:54 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Simo Sorce wrote:
While you don't edit them *all* the time, it is something that is done
regularly, and it is something most admins can do with ease.
Turn them in a C program and you left admins out in the cold,
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:02 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
With an install _not_ of the kind described above, you currently get a 0
timeout, which is what's mostly under discussion now: whether we should
have a non-zero timeout for all installations, even single-boot.
Of course it shouldn't be
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 15:43 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:34:22AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Of course it shouldn't be zero. This is what I was saying yesterday. Now
if Fedora is really targeting end users who are non-technical (can we
decide this finally
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 11:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Several installation to choose from -- give the user time to make a
choice
Only one OS -- get it running as quickly as possible
I am certainly an experienced user, and I am still not in love with
staring a a grub screen for so many
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 16:49 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
If we put a bit more trust into our kernel updates, and can start making
people a bit angry and filing bugs when there are regressions, maybe we
can do away with that crappy crutch.
User anger really isn't a good motivator.
If it
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 12:11 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Jon Masters (jonat...@jonmasters.org) said:
If we put a bit more trust into our kernel updates, and can start making
people a bit angry and filing bugs when there are regressions, maybe we
can do away with that crappy crutch
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 23:27 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
Another +1 for Bill's suggestion, that seems like a nice elegant way of
trying to catch the broken cases.
Some distros take this a stage further with the failure safe mode boot
option, and that's also not a hugely wrong idea.
Jon.
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On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 16:05 +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
I was under the impression that a timeout is intentional/used only if
another operating system is detected upon installation. ie. Windows.
If no other operating system is detected, then there's no point having
a timeout.
I strongly
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:54 +0200, Farkas Levente wrote:
now as ppc was removed from primary arch i try to build gstreamer-java
as a noarch packages. until now it was not possible because of this jdk
bug on ppc:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468831
Folks,
This may have come up already (and I don't mean upstream :) ) but am
interested to know what the plans are in F12 wrt. nouveau updates. Is
there a plan to eventually rebase the kernel to 2.6.34? (and with it,
requiring a non-backwards compatible update to xorg-x11-drv-nouveau?)
If there
Folks,
I created a spare encrypted LVM volume group for testing rawhide (and
one for F13 too) on my new Macbook. I cloned the existing updated F12
install and then did an upgrade to rawhide. It does boot, and it does
run X but the gnome-panel is not displayed (it is running). If I kill
it, it
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