On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>> > = Proposed System Wide Change: Workstation: Enable Software Collections =
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Workstation_Enable_Software_
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Proposed System Wide Change: Workstation: Enable Software Collections =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Workstation_Enable_Software_Collections
>
> Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen
>
> The Software Collections repositories will
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager
> instead of KDM =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM
>
> Change owner(s): Martin Briza & KDE SIG
>
> Retire KDM as the default display manage
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:32:53AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
>> On 04/10/2014 05:38 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> >On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:23:07PM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>> >>To investigate runtime rather than compile time
>> >
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Corey Sheldon wrote:
> how stable is the x86 4.9 prerelease?
> when building I mean
Well... it built a kernel. It possibly built other packages in koji
in the meantime. Other than that, I have no idea.
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:15 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> wrote:
>>
>> On 04/10/2014 02:06 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>>>>
&
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:15 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
>
> On 04/10/2014 02:06 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> FYI, gcc in rawhide has been upgraded
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> FYI, gcc in rawhide has been upgraded to 4.9.0 prerelease,
>> please visit http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.9/porting_to.html if your
>> package
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> FYI, gcc in rawhide has been upgraded to 4.9.0 prerelease,
> please visit http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.9/porting_to.html if your
> package no longer builds. To investigate runtime rather than compile time
> issues, please consider using
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 13:04:54 -0400,
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>
>> Similarly, there are a great many useful Ruby libraries and
>> applications out there for which unbundling them would be an exercise
>> in futility. Ask yourself
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote:
> Agenda:
My regrets today. I'll be unable to attend.
> - Discuss
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/197074.html as
> task for Base
This seems reasonable to me.
> - Discuss http://tinyurl.com/fedora-pkg-reviews as
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On 03/30/2014 11:00 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 01:11:58PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> I promised a while ago that I would provide a text version of my
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 26.03.2014 18:52, schrieb Stephen Gallagher:
>> On 03/26/2014 11:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> i just tried on F20 and "PrivateDevices" is not known sadly because
>>> i have some services in mind where i would like that
>>
>>> Mär 26
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:09:09PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >> I said it's "madness" and "totally wacky" to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
>> >> installing your desktop directly, before fi
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:41:19PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> I said it's "madness" and "totally wacky" to NOT HAVE THE OPTION of
>> installing your desktop directly, before first installing GNOME. That is
>> also what I said "almost all
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 07:18:58PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> It's a pity though that nobody in Fedora is actively working on getting
>> rid of legacy cruft. I really wished we had some people who oversee
>> deprecating things more
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:29:12AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> > I like the idea of actually revisiting the list and deciding what to do,
>> > although pulling them out of the repository seems unnecessarily drastic.
&g
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 05:07:35PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> Alternative idea -- maybe identify all packages which are not ciritcal and
>> have an open merge review. Take those packages out of the repository.
>> Then revisit the list
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote:
> What will happen to XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Cinnemon in Fedora.Next ?
They still exist.
> The Workstation WG, looks like a Gnome only thing, will there be at place of
> users of other DE's in Fedora.next ?
Workstation uses GNOME as the default D
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
>>> Other developers: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning
>>> Release engineering: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>>> Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>>>
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:16 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote:
> No agenda for today, so i'd propose to cancel the meeting today and prepare
> another more detailed review of the Tech Specs and a checkup of the takslist
> of dglimore next week.
Agreed.
As an aside, I've missed this meeting the past couple
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said:
>> I am pretty sure that ext4 is a built-in module in Fedora kernels,
>> as well as in the boot environment; making XFS the default will
>> require also building it in, pretty much forever, while we sti
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski
wrote:
> I am pretty sure that ext4 is a built-in module in Fedora kernels, as well
> as in the boot environment; making XFS the default will require also
> building it in, pretty much forever, while we still need extXX, and whatever
> comes next (
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said:
>> > Basically, what I'm saying is that if Desktop would be OK with using
>> > xfs-on-LVM as default with all choices demoted to custom partitioning
>> > (no
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole background out of it.
>> >
>> > What filesystems are we conside
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 11:56 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said:
>> > Directed more broadly at all three products:
>> >
>> > Formal proposal (for discussion): All three products agree to use ext4
>>
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
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> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:01:47 -0500
> Matthew Miller wrote:
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>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 07:43:53AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> > I realize that XFS is a difficult pill to swallow fo
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-27/fedora-meeting-1.2014-02-27-15.00.log.html
>
> OK super, pretty much all Server WG questions are answered. That was easy.
> Summary is they are going to go with XFS on LVM. LVM vs
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 08:04:10AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> The kernels that are built are tested at a minimum on 3 machines
>> before I even put them to git.
>
> I didn't realize this happened, so my a
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:12:59AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 08:09 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 06:50:56PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 21:53 +00
The Board has reviewed the PRDs for the Cloud, Server, and Workstation
products and approves. While there are some reservations in certain
areas, the overall goals of each product seem to be well thought out
and an benefit to Fedora going forward. Thank you for taking the time
to work through these
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 12:18 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> > I agree switching from ext4 to XFS is likely not worthwhile.
>>
>> Whether Server WG goes with ext4 or XFS on LVM, it's worthwhile for
>> Workstation WG to mimic it merely due to
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Josh Boyer
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, agreed here. Everyone wants the latest shiniest thing, even if that
>> thing isn't
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Alexander Todorov wrote:
> На 21.02.2014 16:54, Stephen Gallagher написа:
>
>
>> Please do not file hundreds of bugs that will be closed WONTFIX. It's
>> a waste of everyone's time.
>>
>
> Hi Stephen,
> how do you propose to track this then? I don't think a wiki pa
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:38:56AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> > That being said, a lot of packages in Fedora are simply that: packaged
>> > upstreams. Many (most?) package maintainers are not developers of that
>
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On 02/21/2014 09:22 AM, Alexander Todorov wrote:
>> Hi guys, (note: devel, packaging and test lists) previously I've
>> done a little experiment and counted how many packages are likely
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> * Open floor (t8m, 19:45:44)
> * AGREED: FESCo expects the Tech specs/docs from working groups by
> March 3rd at the latest (+7, -0, 0:0) (t8m, 19:50:38)
> * ACTION: t8m will update the weekly reports ticket with this request
> (t8
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 13:02 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
>> On 01/28/2014 03:12 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
>>
>> > On 28 January 2014 18:43, Przemek Klosowski
>> > wrote:
>> > > There are two separate issues here: 'abandonment', and 'GU
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 12.02.2014 20:46, schrieb Josh Boyer:
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Reindl Harald
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 12.02.2014 20:26, schrieb Peter Oliver:
>>>> On 10 February 2014 16:42, Till
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 12.02.2014 20:26, schrieb Peter Oliver:
>> On 10 February 2014 16:42, Till Maas wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't AutoQA already running these kind of checks?
>>
>> Here's an example:
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-1847/Atomic
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote:
>> Question (1)
>> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads
>> advertisements from the web and shows them to users?
>
> I think this might need to be broken
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
>> installing Fedora on UEFI systems. Should cover the 'greatest hits' that
>> show up in bug reports, forums and IRC the most.
Hi All,
I've yet to see an announcement email for this, but the polls for the
FESCo and FAMSCo votes are open. Please go vote here:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/
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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Dan Horák wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:10:49 -0500
> Josh Boyer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've sent two builds of linux-firmware to koji this morning and both
>> fail with a strange error in root.log/mock_output.log:
>
Hi,
I've sent two builds of linux-firmware to koji this morning and both
fail with a strange error in root.log/mock_output.log:
ERROR: Command failed. See logs for output.
# ['fedpkg', 'sources']
Downloading linux-firmware-20140131.tar.gz
error: line 41: Double separator '-' in: iwl100-firmware-
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Przemek Klosowski
wrote:
> On 01/29/2014 07:10 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
> On 29 January 2014 23:58, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think
> they have value to people. I think they fill a ni
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:53 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Jiri Eischmann (eischm...@redhat.com) said:
>> > > That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to
>> > > see more
>> > > clearly defined div
The Board was recently notified of a serious violation of our Code of
Conduct made on the development list last week. Physical threats of
violence are an egregious offense and may result in further censure or
disciplinary action. While we look into the matter further, we would
like to remind ever
On Jan 30, 2014 3:06 AM, "Frank Murphy" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:58:22 -0500
> Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> > I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think
> > they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large
>
On Jan 29, 2014 11:13 PM, "Adam Williamson" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 16:33 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> > > I'd rather not confuse what is made from Fedora bits with what is
> > > based on Fedora bits but includes other bits. The remix branding
On Jan 29, 2014 11:24 PM, "Adam Williamson" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 18:17 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> >
> > 1) Disk space. Disks are not cheap in the world of data-access ready
> > disks. The 4 TB SATAs sound nice but when you try serving FTP off them
> > you find that you have
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga
wrote:
> Spin maintainer as well sharing Dan's view about spin used to display Fedora
> uses of FOSS applications without needing to download either DVD or
> netinstall. Remixes like Korora for example are completely different because
> of the use
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM, inode0 wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>> On 29 January 2014 15:49, inode0 wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Jon wrote:
>>> > Putting on my rel-eng hat I can say that any spin that fails to
>>> > compose will be
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:01 PM, inode0 wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:57 PM, H. Guémar
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, inode0 wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:57 PM, H. Guémar wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think we should keep spins as long as we don't have a formal process to
>> accept new products.
>> Something like => proposal => crop (aka product-to-be) => validation =>
>> product
>
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> quoting simplified: >>> is Tom Hughes, >> is me, > is Josh. Restored
> part of Tom's original context.
>
>>> > The actual spins (or whatever you want to call them) aren't something
>>> > that bother me at all, as they are to my mind largely
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:54 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >
>> >> > To be hones
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 13:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
>> > To be honest my concerns are more with my user hat on than my contributor
>> > hat - that we will lose the gold standard unified packaging standards an
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>
>
> On 23 January 2014 11:48, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
>>
>> > Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the way the whole thing
>
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 23/01/14 18:26, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And I really wonder if Fedora.next is really backed by those community
>>> contribut
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Verbose: Yes, I really think the Fedora needs changes -- at some point
> a few years ago we mostly continued to do things as they have "always"
> been done (read: since Core and Extras merged), without thinking if
> those ways are still
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> One of the packages I maintain is mercurial. Frequently (e.g., now), there
> is a rc version available for test. It will probably break some other package
> that depends on it.
>
> I am thinking of a model like google uses for chrome. I coul
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Rubin wrote:
> Hi Fedora,
>
> Just a quick note that the latest selinux-policy and
> selinux-policy-targeted breaks RPM scriptlet execution (pre, post,
> postun, etc).
>
> I've verified this on two separate systems (my laptop, a desktop at
> work). The versions cau
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Martin Stransky wrote:
> On 01/13/2014 04:41 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't say it's important/newsworthy. It's just FYI. Please ignore if
>>> you're not interested.
>>
>>
>> Ok, I'l
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Martin Stransky wrote:
> On 01/13/2014 04:29 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Martin Stransky
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> first $SUBJ is available at:
>>>
>
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Martin Stransky wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> first $SUBJ is available at:
>
> http://stransky.fedorapeople.org/FirefoxGtk3/
>
> It's just a src.spm and plugin support it not finished (don't browse youtube
> ;-)) but may work as a preview.
>
> I'll provide Fedora builds a
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Richard Marko wrote:
> In last two weeks these components were crashing the most on Fedora 20:
> 3. kernel seen 4540 times (8% of all reports)
> http://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/problems/898437/
> http://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/problems/1372844/
I
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 20.12.2013 14:48, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>> On fös 20.des 2013 13:18, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> not because it is irrelevant, because your only interest in that context is
>>> trolling against RH
>>
>> Trolling against RH right
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 06:01:04PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:24 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>>
>> > b) Which WG will take on the task of solving this? We shouldn't end
>> > up with everybody agreeing that this n
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>> Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>>> a) Do we all agree that we need to solve this?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> We should not compromise our design principles (and, e.g., endorse an
>> abominable hack like SC
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
>
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Qua, 2013-12-04 at 12:42 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> Basically it landed too late to get into Beta, and we don't want to
>> ship final with a brand new kernel. It will be a update after
>> release.
>> This allows the installer images to use
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> Hi,
> kernel 3.12 is out a long time, and still don't see it on Fedora 20, to me
> doesn't make sense not update it, you will go update just after lunching ?
> Should be test on test before .
> The politic of update stables kernel is far to
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:05:54PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> wrote:
>> Hi, Florian.
>>
>> On Thursday, 28 November 2013 at 11:38, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> > There seems to be a library for processing kernel monitoring events
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm facing a weird issue when trying to build a new version of spring.
> First and foremost, the spring.spec has "ExcludeArch:ppc ppc64
> %{arm}", which should exclude arm* and ppc* (both not supported by
> upstream).
>
>
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On 11/19/2013 02:47 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013 12:55 PM, "Stephen Gallagher" > <mailto:sgall...@redhat.com>> wrote:
&
On Nov 19, 2013 12:55 PM, "Stephen Gallagher" wrote:
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> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a loo
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote:
> Agenda for tomorrows meeting:
I'll be away from computers all day tomorrow, so I'll have to send my
regrets. I'll follow up in the evening and reply to the minutes with
any comments/questions I have.
> - Liaison for FESCO? Volunteers?
Er.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
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>> >
>> > Fedora development releases use a kernel with extra debug information
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
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> *** Note on performance ***
>
> Fedora development releases use a kernel with extra debug information to help
> us understand and resolve issues faster; however, this can have a significant
> impact on pe
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller
>>> wrote:
>>>&
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> Hello,
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller
> wrote:
>> The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that
>> is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to
>> avoid clu
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
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> Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 14:57, Josh Boyer a écrit :
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>> And yet, now we have Coprs. Which lets people easily upload
>> unreviewed, possibly bundled application SRPMs for easy distribution
>> outside of the m
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
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> Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 19:24, Josh Boyer a écrit :
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>> I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a
>> new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive
>&
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 15:37 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:00 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote:
>> >> We have a slight issue with
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:30:37 -0800,
>>> Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>&
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:30:37 -0800,
> Adam Williamson wrote:
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>> FWIW the ship has probably sailed now, but I really don't think it'd be
>> much of a problem to have 3.12 in F20 at release time. It's what I've
>> been running on
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:00 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote:
>> We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too
>> late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20
>> release to just ignore the 3.13 deve
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 13:24 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > In this situation what we should do is carefully consider the relative
>> > possibilities
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a
>> new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive
>> changes t
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> In this situation what we should do is carefully consider the relative
> possibilities of the good, bad and mixed outcomes with as much precision
> as we can, and try to come up with a path forward which makes the
> likelihood of a good outc
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Christian Schaller
> wrote:
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>>> > I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable
>>> > 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagin
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Christian Schaller wrote:
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>> > I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable
>> > 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagine a future where e.g.
>> > valve is hosting a repository with their steam client, or say, the
>> > chromium
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote:
> On 11/06/2013 05:43 AM, Jon wrote:
>> Another item I'd like to consider for the initial discussion is the
>> release cycle for the base design. My feeling is that base is small
>> enough and simple enough to allow a more frequent release, perha
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
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>> > Right, that's exactly what I was saying. I just think this is all the
>> > _original poster_ was talking about, not any kind of automatic
>> &
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 15:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >
>> >> > - What about w
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand
>
> It doesn't have to end up with that name, for the record. That's just a
> working title and indicat
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
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>> > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think it is a basic
>> > requirement for students (at least for me).
>> >
>> > Mayb
ve had thus far. I've omitted term limits for now, but I'm open to
suggestions. The FPCA+1 requirement seems reasonable to me as we want
to make sure they're a Fedora contributor first and foremost.
Suggestions/questions welcome.)
=== Current Members ===
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On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 15:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Ray Strode wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>
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