Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-29 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 08/22/2013 05:15 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-26 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - work on a composedb that gives easier insight into where things are in the release cycles. where releases are in their cycle, i.e end of life, stable or in development, for stable releases when updates where last pushed, or if updates push is in progress, for in

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-26 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Dne 23.8.2013 10:24, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-25 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:56:06AM +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: Here's my favourite bugbear: https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/243 I have no

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-25 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 09:41:56PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:56:06AM +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: There's been discussion of adding fedpkg retire-package to fedpkg which would basically just open

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-24 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 09:33:59AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: Here's my favourite bugbear: https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/243 I have no idea why the package retirement process needs intervention from

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Peter Robinson
E.g. going after these: http://ausil.fedorapeople.org/**f20-failed.htmlhttp://ausil.fedorapeople.org/f20-failed.html Right now we have ~350+ broken packages, a lengthy series of broken deps, an unknown amount of defacto unmaintained packages and an unknown amout of maintainers having gone

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/23/2013 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: * a unified koji/bodhi/bugzilla Web-GUI You think BZ is slow now? What do you mean by now ... now as in comparison to yesterday, or in general. In general, my issues with bugzilla basically are two: - It's UI is clumsy to use for Fedora -

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 23.8.2013 10:24, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 08/23/2013 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: * much longer build.log holding time for FTBFS. I think this comes down to the amount of storage it takes and the amount we have available. Is that really that

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:33:59 +0100 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 08/22/2013 09:03 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: As we look at Fedora.next ideas and possibly decide to start implementation in the F21 timeframe, we will likely find _new_ things that take specific work. Let's not worry about that right now. What things we do _now_ could be improved with the

F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Matthew Miller
Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just, right now, slowing down for a release to get

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. Apparently less so with all the new ARM builders, right?

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. It's

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Christopher Meng
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. -- devel mailing list

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 --

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Tim Flink
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:19:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Mat Booth
On 22 August 2013 16:03, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/22/2013 05:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/22/2013 05:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. Apparently

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: ...snip... What Infrastructure projects would be helped by this? A web infrastructure to * ease package orphanage. * launch AWOL/MIA requests * a unified koji/bodhi/bugzilla Web-GUI * much longer build.log

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:27:20 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: The issue with this perl rebuilt was the person conducting the initial rebuild didn't manage to finish it. Don't get me wrong - He did a good job, but his time frame simply was unrealistically short. Well, I noticed

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 08/22/2013 05:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 03:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Miroslav Suchy
On 08/22/2013 06:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, I noticed the rebuild was running only some times. I assume when they were there to launch the builds in that batch? Is there any way all the builds could be listed and just fired off and queued all at once? Peter queue honor build requires

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Tim Flink
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:03:52 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question

Rebuilding in dependency order (was: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?)

2013-08-22 Thread Björn Persson
Miroslav Suchy wrote: On 08/22/2013 06:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, I noticed the rebuild was running only some times. I assume when they were there to launch the builds in that batch? Is there any way all the builds could be listed and just fired off and queued all at once? Peter queue

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:38:38AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: In general most of our constraints are people related. We just don't have enough developers and sysadmins to setup, deploy and maintain all the things we might want to do. I definitely know how that is. Of the list you give, maybe

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 08/22/2013 03:19 PM, drago01 wrote: Given that most of this stuff can be done parallel to the release (it is not like everyone is busy for full 6 months during the release cycle) I doubt this gains us much if anything. This is laughable response we in QA and I'm pretty sure it's the same

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/22/2013 03:19 PM, drago01 wrote: Given that most of this stuff can be done parallel to the release (it is not like everyone is busy for full 6 months during the release cycle) I doubt this gains us much if

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03:52AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: As we look at Fedora.next ideas and possibly decide to start implementation in the F21 timeframe, we will likely find _new_ things that take specific work. Let's not worry about that right now. What things we do _now_ could be

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:41:25AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:00:54 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: ...snip... What Infrastructure projects would be helped by this? A web infrastructure to * ease package orphanage. * launch AWOL/MIA requests

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 17:19 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: some of the things I would like to work on include, fully automating the release process, today i have to do mutliple things from multiple locations to trigger off the different pieces of the release. write a tool like mash

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get substantive work done on 'things

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to work on anything else.