RE: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-08 Thread Stewart Smith via devel
Gary Buhrmaster writes: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:32 AM Josh Stone wrote: >> >> On 11/16/21 7:05 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: >> > Realistically, they will just stick to Fedora 36 forever and just stop >> > updating the devices (or try updating them anyway and get no updates from >> > the

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:00 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-02-06 at 14:54 +0100, David Bold wrote: > > > > > > I just tried to install Fedora on RPi, and I ended up on [1] where I > > downloaded an image. That was unfortunately armv7 - and I needed to go > > to [2] - which was not lin

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-07 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
Thank you, Peter, for coming up with this! I have to say this is really good news to hear indeed - I have been waiting silently for this for quite a long time. Kudos, Jens ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an em

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2022-02-06 at 14:54 +0100, David Bold wrote: > > > I just tried to install Fedora on RPi, and I ended up on [1] where I > downloaded an image. That was unfortunately armv7 - and I needed to go > to [2] - which was not linked in the descriptions [3,4]. Also the wiki > lists first the armv7

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:55 AM David Bold wrote: > > > > On 11/15/21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > > > > > ... > > > == Scope == > > > > > > * Proposal owners: Work with rel-eng to disab

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-07 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:55 AM David Bold wrote: > > On 11/15/21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > > > ... > > == Scope == > > > > * Proposal owners: Work with rel-eng to disable the architecture in > > koji, remove all the various pungi pieces and c

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-02-06 Thread David Bold
On 11/15/21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > ... > == Scope == > > * Proposal owners: Work with rel-eng to disable the architecture in > koji, remove all the various pungi pieces and clean up any other > release detritus. > > * Other developers: No

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-26 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 04:04:25PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 11:11 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > > > * Peter Robinson: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:43 AM Florian Weimer > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> * Ben Cotton: > > >> > > >> > == Detailed Description == > > >>

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 11:11 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Peter Robinson: > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:43 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > >> > >> * Ben Cotton: > >> > >> > == Detailed Description == > >> > > >> > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm > >> > architecture t

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 8:10 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 16.11.2021 um 20:37 schrieb Miro Hrončok : > > > > On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > >> == Owner == > >> * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > >> * Email: > > > > M

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 11:43:06AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > And we recently lost Systemtap probes on Arm, with no clear path > towards restoring them. Is this a reference to this issue or another one? https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103395 Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualizat

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* Peter Robinson: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:43 AM Florian Weimer wrote: >> >> * Ben Cotton: >> >> > == Detailed Description == >> > >> > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm >> > architecture that Fedora has supported, the first was ARMv5, the third >> > is aarch64. The

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 10:43 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Ben Cotton: > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm > > architecture that Fedora has supported, the first was ARMv5, the third > > is aarch64. The proposal is to retire ARMv7

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ben Cotton: > == Detailed Description == > > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm > architecture that Fedora has supported, the first was ARMv5, the third > is aarch64. The proposal is to retire ARMv7 as part of the Fedora 37 > release. This will allow ARMv7/armhfp to be

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I still like Seth's system-autodeath, but it's been retired for a while now. From the summary: system-autodeath is a cron job that runs daily, checking the current time versus a configured death date for the machine. Within one week of this date the system will emit log notices to sys

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> Gary Buhrmaster writes: > I have occasionally conjectured that there should be a "last gasp" > version of some core package released into updates for a version going > unsupported that drops a file into /etc/motd.d that is, essentially: I've thought about it as well, but I still wonder goo

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-18 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:32 AM Josh Stone wrote: > > On 11/16/21 7:05 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Realistically, they will just stick to Fedora 36 forever and just stop > > updating the devices (or try updating them anyway and get no updates from > > the server, obviously). > > > > Stic

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-17 Thread Josh Stone
On 11/16/21 7:05 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Realistically, they will just stick to Fedora 36 forever and just stop > updating the devices (or try updating them anyway and get no updates from > the server, obviously). > > Sticking an EOL label on a software release is not going to magica

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 02:15:49PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: >> == User Experience == >> Any current users of Fedora on ARMv7 devices won't be able to upgrade >> to Fedora 37, they will have to stay on Fedora 36 until it's EOL. > > Please add "and will have to

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 8:10 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 16.11.2021 um 20:37 schrieb Miro Hrončok : > > > > On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > >> == Owner == > >> * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > >> * Email: > > > > M

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 21:23 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen : > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 15:10 Peter Boy wrote: > > ... > This could (hopefully) solve a number of problems raised by various > contributors to the discussion (and preserve the „trademark"). > > > The main problem is that armv

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 15:10 Peter Boy wrote: > > > > Am 16.11.2021 um 20:37 schrieb Miro Hrončok : > > > > On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > >> == Owner == > >> * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > >> * Email: > > > > May

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 20:37 schrieb Miro Hrončok : > > On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 >> == Owner == >> * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] >> * Email: > > May I suggest to include > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/li

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 == Owner == * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] * Email: May I suggest to include https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/a...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YC2LYBJSFKDAVBUJAIFQCCBS5VLW5T

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 08:34:07AM +, Ahmed Almeleh wrote: > I agree that the ARMv7 architecture is in decline and echo the opinion > of Zbigniew > that the user base will be very low once the EOL for F36 falls. > > Overall I think it is best to remove the ARMv7 architecture. It may also > mak

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Ahmed Almeleh
I agree that the ARMv7 architecture is in decline and echo the opinion of Zbigniew that the user base will be very low once the EOL for F36 falls. Overall I think it is best to remove the ARMv7 architecture. It may also make it easier to push advanced features into new releases quicker. Thanks,

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 02:15:49PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > * Email: > > == Detailed Description == > > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm > architectur

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-15 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, just a minor suggestion: On November 15, 2021 7:15:49 PM UTC, Ben Cotton wrote: > >Overall arm32 is generally waning with generally few new ARMv7 devices >added to Fedora in recent releases. Remove one of the two generally/general. >== Contingency Plan == > >Continue on as before with the

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-15 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:16 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > I cannot recall the last time I tried to run a full armv7 desktop (which, I would guess, generate a significant percentage of the large app build failures since the "desktop" apps are, well,

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-15 Thread Reon Beon via devel
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1291136-fedora-drafts-plans-for-retiring-armv7-support ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedo

F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-15 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 == Owner == * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] * Email: == Detailed Description == The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm architecture that Fedora has supported, the first was ARMv5, the third is aarch64. The prop