Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia Just for reference, today Fedora CoreOS uses a different implementation of this:

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Frank R Dana Jr.
> With > {{package|livesys-scripts}}, those scripts have been simplified and > turned into systemd services that activate only in live environments. Just to confirm, will live-media-only these systemd services all be contained within a package (either livesys-scripts, or some other RPM), and

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Michael J Gruber
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton > > Neal, Matt, what is the rationale for enabling persistence for the default > boot option? I have mixed opinions about this. One of the benefits of a > Live image, as we use it today, is that it's always the same/fresh. If I > use it and then

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 09:22:23AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > I don't think that persistence by default is a good idea, because > modern USB-flash drives are very unreliable and don't have a > wear-cell balancer, so it will wear out very quickly for some > frequently modified files.

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 18/10/2022 22:35, Ben Cotton wrote: There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with persistence and setup of persistence should work. I don't think that persistence by default is a good idea, because

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 2:57 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and >> booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with >> persistence and setup of persistence should

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and > booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with > persistence and setup of persistence should work. > Neal, Matt, what is the rationale for enabling

F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-18 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering

F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-18 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering