Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler via devel writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: > The ostensible reason for this is that you cannot be tracked by your fixed > MAC across different APs. But different APs will typically be operated by different people, who have no access to each other's MAC address logs anyway. So what is

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Leon Fauster via devel wrote: > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/blob/main/src/libnm-core-impl/nm-setting-wireless.c#L1598 So NM supports both, which leaves the question: Is the proposal to default to "stable-ssid" (or to "stable" with the stable-ID set to the SSID)

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > The ostensible reason for this is that you cannot be tracked by your fixed > MAC across different APs. But different APs will typically be operated by different people, who have no access to each other's MAC address logs anyway. So what is the point of sending them a dif

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 24.12.23 um 15:03 schrieb Robert Nichols: On 12/23/23 16:40, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Christopher Klooz writes: Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? Globally? This Most recent Android phones, and iP

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 12/23/23 16:40, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Christopher Klooz writes: Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? Globally? This Most recent Android phones, and iPhones do this by default. What they do is pin

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Christopher Klooz
MAC randomization if they are affected negatively could be a good mitigation without increasing the stuff in the installer. [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-wifi-mac-randomization-system-wide/99856/22 On 24/12/2023 11.19, Christopher Klooz wrote: On 24/12/2023

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-24 Thread Christopher Klooz
ce the issue on all systems roughly at the same time... That might serve as a small but existing mitigation. [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-wifi-mac-randomization-system-wide/99856/15 -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-23 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler via devel writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Christopher Klooz writes: > >> Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really >> already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? Globally? This > > Most recent Android phones, and iPhones do this by defaul

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-23 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Christopher Klooz writes: > >> Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really >> already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? Globally? This > > Most recent Android phones, and iPhones do this by default. > > What they do is pin each

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-23 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Christopher Klooz writes: Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? Globally? This Most recent Android phones, and iPhones do this by default. What they do is pin each randomized MAC address per AP. They'r

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-23 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 8:28 PM Christopher Klooz wrote: > Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really > already introduced in Windows, Mac, Android by default? There is a draft RFC for randomizing MAC addresses https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-madinas-m

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-23 Thread Christopher Klooz
ups, especially for users without sophisticated knowledge of the technical background -> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-wifi-mac-randomization-system-wide/99856 Btw, does anyone know if this (in the practically-same manner) is really already introduced in Windows, Mac, A

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Thomas Haller
Hi, On Thu, 2023-12-21 at 16:08 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:49 PM Tom Hughes via devel > wrote: > > > > On 21/12/2023 14:33, Steven A. Falco wrote: > > > On 12/21/23 08:53 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:52 AM Leigh Scott > > > > > > > > wro

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:49 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 21/12/2023 14:33, Steven A. Falco wrote: > > On 12/21/23 08:53 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:52 AM Leigh Scott > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm -1 for this change, it shouldn't be enabled by default as it will >

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 21/12/2023 14:33, Steven A. Falco wrote: On 12/21/23 08:53 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:52 AM Leigh Scott wrote: I'm -1 for this change, it shouldn't be enabled by default as it will cause issues for users using router mac filtering. What this seems to state is that t

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Steven A. Falco
On 12/21/23 08:53 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:52 AM Leigh Scott wrote: I'm -1 for this change, it shouldn't be enabled by default as it will cause issues for users using router mac filtering. What this seems to state is that the MAC address would be unique for each SSID,

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:52 AM Leigh Scott wrote: > > I'm -1 for this change, it shouldn't be enabled by default as it will cause > issues for users using router mac filtering. What this seems to state is that the MAC address would be unique for each SSID, but once it's picked, it would be lock

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-21 Thread Leigh Scott
I'm -1 for this change, it shouldn't be enabled by default as it will cause issues for users using router mac filtering. -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

F40 Change Proposal: Wifi MAC Randomization (System Wide)

2023-12-20 Thread Aoife Moloney
Wiki -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WifiMACRandomization This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Stee