Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-15 Thread Eric Smith
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't really feel comfortable maintaining it mostly by myself. I'm not sure how much help I'd be with maintaining the

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:48:42AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On 05/13/2012 02:02 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: snip From a purely practical perspective, the popularity of OS X as a development platform means that we're likely to see a gradual increase in the amount of code written to

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 12:21 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Apart from the worrying test suite results on secondary archs, actually it's the libstdc++ issue that's causing the most headache. How much effort does it take to maintain a compatibility version of libstdc++? It'd make clang

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 01:33:46AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: We could. Right now, for ARM (as an example), there is really about as much representation as x86 from what I can see in terms of core arch support. I'm sure upstream bits will be pulled in, and David and ajax will do a great job -

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-13 Thread Jon Masters
On 05/13/2012 02:02 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: snip From a purely practical perspective, the popularity of OS X as a development platform means that we're likely to see a gradual increase in the amount of code written to assume LLVM-specific functionality. People are just going to have to

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-12 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/2012 02:16 AM, Jon Masters wrote: On 05/10/2012 04:56 AM, David Airlie wrote: Don't confuse llvm and clang, llvm has no equivalent in gcc world, clang is a C compiler like gcc that uses llvm tech. Right so I wasn't confusing these :)

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-12 Thread DJ Delorie
Maybe we should draw more of a distinction between LLVM and clang, and use ExclusiveArch: on the latter to whitelist only architectures we feel comfortable supporting? That would only make it worse, for surely x86-32 and x86-64 would be whitelisted, so most developers would just use clang

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Masters
On 05/13/2012 01:21 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: snip Maybe we should draw more of a distinction between LLVM and clang, and use ExclusiveArch: on the latter to whitelist only architectures we feel comfortable supporting? We could. Right now, for ARM (as an example), there is really

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:17 AM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: Is LLVMpipe needed on, say, ARM? (Does anyone have a screenshot of GNOME Shell running on such a system?). Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg And currently OLPC uses gnome-panel although

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread David Airlie
- Original Message - From: Jon Masters j...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, 9 May, 2012 10:57:30 PM Subject: Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 18:00 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Putting that another way, if we carried eglibc in Fedora, there would be cries and shouts if a large number of packages started requiring it because we have folks that maintain GLIBC. I don't believe this is entirely accurate, since glibc

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg That's GDM, and so useless unto the purpose. It's not accelerated. I could log in and got the fallback shell, but it all worked sufficiently well. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 13:40 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg That's GDM, and so useless unto the purpose. It's not accelerated. I could log in and got the fallback shell, but it all worked sufficiently well. Yes,

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread Jon Masters
: Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers On 05/06/2012 02:29 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 13:40 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg That's GDM, and so useless unto the purpose. It's not accelerated. I could log in and got the fallback shell, but it all worked sufficiently well. Yes.

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-09 Thread Jon Masters
On 05/06/2012 02:29 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't really feel comfortable maintaining it mostly by myself. Thanks for the private email

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-09 Thread Jon Masters
On 05/09/2012 05:57 PM, Jon Masters wrote: More broadly though, I feel that GCC is well represented in terms of engineering knowledge but I'm *concerned* that we run the risk of growing a dependence on LLVM that is more critical than the LLVMpipe stuff. Before we can blink, we might need LLVM

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-09 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/10/2012 05:00 AM, Jon Masters wrote: On 05/09/2012 05:57 PM, Jon Masters wrote: More broadly though, I feel that GCC is well represented in terms of engineering knowledge but I'm *concerned* that we run the risk of growing a dependence on

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-09 Thread DJ Delorie
Is LLVMpipe needed on, say, ARM? (Does anyone have a screenshot of GNOME Shell running on such a system?). Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 23:17 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Is LLVMpipe needed on, say, ARM? (Does anyone have a screenshot of GNOME Shell running on such a system?). Is this close enough? http://www.delorie.com/arm/f15-gnome-on-olpc.jpg That's GDM, and so useless unto the purpose. It's not

Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-06 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't really feel comfortable maintaining it mostly by myself. I'd love to have some extra help

Re: Like C++? Not afraid of quirky build systems? Seeking LLVM co-maintainers

2012-05-06 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2012/5/6 Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org: Hi all, LLVM is becoming an increasingly integral part of our distribution (with mesa now using it to build the LLVMpipe renderer, for example) that I don't really feel comfortable maintaining it mostly by myself. I'd love to have