Le Mar 21 mai 2013 00:12, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
Lots of things use /etc/aliases...
In fact, /etc/aliases should be set up by anaconda or firstboot with the
main user mail.
We've been hearing for years from desktop people a MTA was bad, heavy
and difficult to use but after years of rants
On Mon, 20 May 2013 20:20:56 -0400
Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote:
The only MTA I've seen handlie both SMARTHOST and /etc/aliases
correctly was exim,. which is no longer included by default and
for which the necessary configuration is not widely published nor
in the default
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:10:33AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mar 21 mai 2013 00:12, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
Lots of things use /etc/aliases...
In fact, /etc/aliases should be set up by anaconda or firstboot with the
main user mail.
We did this in BU Linux. Specificially, we made an
On Mon, 20.05.13 21:36, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
by default all mail messages go to root which you need root
permissions to access them so it's not really an argument
and on most setups i know /etc/aliases contains
root: whoe...@domain.tld and the *main* difference
On Mon, 20.05.13 22:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
You still have to configure all of that and whether a MTA is installed
automatically or not doesn't really make it work out of the box.
you have *ntohing* to configure
you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 09:11:32AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Perhaps interested parties could get behind/revive:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA
and finish it out for f20?
*nod*
Hmmm -- Percentage
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote:
Once upon a time, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com said:
Sanity:
Am 20.05.2013 21:30, schrieb Peter Robinson:
I suggest not, because in most cases reviewing syslogs requires local
root privilege. Alert or warning emails are easily configured with
aliases or MAILTO settings for cron jobs to go somewhere safer and
less security sensitive, even somewhere
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 20.05.2013 21:30, schrieb Peter Robinson:
I suggest not, because in most cases reviewing syslogs requires local
root privilege. Alert or warning emails are easily configured with
aliases or MAILTO settings for
Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson:
You still have to configure it so doing a yum install
your-mta-of-choice isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know
of that have auto monitoring and alerting of drive failures configure
it automatically as part of a kickstart or puppet
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson:
You still have to configure it so doing a yum install
your-mta-of-choice isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know
of that have auto monitoring and alerting of
Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson:
you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases
everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this
So your telling me your still using sendmail?
what the hell has /etc/aliases with sendmail to do?
And if that's the case it's not hard to do yum
Hi
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson:
you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases
everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this
So your telling me your still using sendmail?
what the hell has /etc/aliases with
Am 20.05.2013 23:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson:
you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases
everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this
So your telling me
Lots of things use /etc/aliases...
I think we are drifting off point here.
1. If we ship no mta then things would be logged only and people would
have to know to look there.
2. If we ship a non local delivery mta (ssmtp/esmtp, etc), then we need
a way to ask the user 'what email address
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
Lots of things use /etc/aliases...
I think we are drifting off point here.
1. If we ship no mta then things would be logged only and people would
have to know to look there.
2. If we ship a non local delivery mta
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but
it is useless if you see it days later while a mail
from crond is more or less real time
You still have to configure all of that and whether a MTA is installed
automatically or
On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:24 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but
it is useless if you see it days later while a mail
from crond is more or less real time
You
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 16:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
3. If we ship sendmail/postfix/exim we can keep on as we are now, since
they can do local delivery out of the box. However, user needs to login
as root or otherwise check emails for root or configure it to send to
another email address
Le lundi 20 mai 2013 à 17:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:24 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but
it is useless if you see it days
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson:
You still have to configure it so doing a yum install
your-mta-of-choice isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know
of that have auto monitoring and alerting of
On 15 May 2013 06:49, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
wrote:
We now appear to have *four* virtual provides for mail servers:
MTA
smtpd
smtpdaemon
server(smtp)
This seems a tad excessive. exim and postfix
Le mercredi 15 mai 2013 à 07:45 +0100, Peter Robinson a écrit :
Adam, like you I seem to remember a subtle difference between MTA and
the others. I think its because some MTAs only do local delivery, some
do remote and some can do both. Eg sendmail needs procmail to handle
the local part from
Once upon a time, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com said:
Sanity: Switching to postfix?
That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that sanity is
not switching desktops/non-mail-servers from one full-featured MTA to
another. The right move is to either remove a local MTA from the
On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote:
Once upon a time, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com said:
Sanity: Switching to postfix?
That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that sanity is
not switching desktops/non-mail-servers from one full-featured MTA to
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 04:30:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I'd suggest that mdadm should do what cronie already does these days:
try to use sendmail if it's there and only then, and unconditionally log
things to syslog. This would the allow us to remove an SMTP server from
the default
On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:56:39 -0400
Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 04:30:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I'd suggest that mdadm should do what cronie already does these
days: try to use sendmail if it's there and only then, and
unconditionally
Am 15.05.2013 16:08, schrieb Chris Adams:
The core problem is that there's a general long-time Unix assumption
that piping something to /usr/sbin/sendmail and/or connecting a TCP
socket to localhost:smtp can send email, and so many things don't
explicitly specify that need. The idea is that
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 09:11:32AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Perhaps interested parties could get behind/revive:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA
and finish it out for f20?
*nod*
Hmmm -- Percentage of completion: 98% seems optimistic. :)
--
Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
We now appear to have *four* virtual provides for mail servers:
MTA
smtpd
smtpdaemon
server(smtp)
smtpdaemon's the oldest one, dating back to at least 1997, so should be
standard. smtpd and MTA came along in 2000 when postfix and exim were
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote:
Once upon a time, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com said:
Sanity: Switching to postfix?
That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that
We now appear to have *four* virtual provides for mail servers:
MTA
smtpd
smtpdaemon
server(smtp)
This seems a tad excessive. exim and postfix provide all four. sendmail
provides MTA, smtpdaemon and server(smtp). Nothing else provides any of
them (though if we could just agree on what any of
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
We now appear to have *four* virtual provides for mail servers:
MTA
smtpd
smtpdaemon
server(smtp)
This seems a tad excessive. exim and postfix provide all four. sendmail
provides MTA, smtpdaemon and server(smtp).
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