Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2012 19:48, schrieb Peter Lemenkov: Hello All. 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: For example, if we start from Fedora20 at beginning of 2014: - Fedora20(jan 2014) is a stable release. (Fedora18 eol, actual way of doing) - Fedora21Preview(jul 2014) is an

New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Hello all, I'm not a Fedora developer, nor package maintainer. I'm a French Fedora Ambassador for a long time. (I should say I was cause I don't do to many things last time, just wake up every 6 months for Fedora releases and other events). I'm also a developer but that's not about Fedora. While

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jason Brooks
On 11/06/2012 10:34 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: Hello all, I'm not a Fedora developer, nor package maintainer. I'm a French Fedora Ambassador for a long time. (I should say I was cause I don't do to many things last time, just wake up every 6 months for Fedora releases and other events). I'm

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello 2012/11/6 Jason Brooks jbro...@redhat.com: For those who upgrade each release (or sooner), a 6mo life span for the latest release wouldn't matter. Those who don't want to upgrade every six months might well appreciate the two year life span. They should pay for RHEL. -- With best

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 19:48, Peter Lemenkov a écrit : Hello All. 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: For example, if we start from Fedora20 at beginning of 2014: - Fedora20(jan 2014) is a stable release. (Fedora18 eol, actual way of doing) - Fedora21Preview(jul 2014) is an

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: So you not a maintainer but you still suggesting that we, maintainers, should do 2 times more job by supporting several simultaneous Fedora versions instead of 3 right now for more than two years. And that's all just because you think it's

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jason Brooks
On 11/06/2012 10:55 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: No, I never suggest that. Preview versions have a timelife of 6mo instead of 12. Stable version have a lifetime of 24mo (12mo for regular updates) instead of 12. The cycle would have to go: stable, preview, preview, stable, and so on to avoid

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 20:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit : 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: So you not a maintainer but you still suggesting that we, maintainers, should do 2 times more job by supporting several simultaneous Fedora versions instead of 3 right now for more than two

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Mark Bidewell
oddly this looks a lot like the Ubuntu release cycle if you replace stable with LTS On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Jason Brooks jbro...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2012 10:55 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: No, I never suggest that. Preview versions have a timelife of 6mo instead of 12.

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: Hum.. It should be some misunderstanding somewhere : Definitely. Please stop talking about things you have no idea about. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 22:24 +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: Hum.. It should be some misunderstanding somewhere : Definitely. Please stop talking about things you have no idea about. You can also just show him where he is wrong rather

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:19:41 PM Subject: Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...)) Le 06/11/2012 20:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit : 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier mgaut...@fedoraproject.org: So you not a maintainer but you still suggesting that we

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/06/2012 07:54 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: One have to say the hard truth - only the latest fedora release is supported by many maintainers because that's what they/we use. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Please read and follow the mailinglist guidelines... JBG -- devel

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 20:19, Mark Bidewell a écrit : oddly this looks a lot like the Ubuntu release cycle if you replace stable with LTS Ubuntu LTS in about 5 years lifetime. Other releases have a lifetime of 18mo. For now, there is 5 maintained ubuntu versions at the same time (the older is from 2008)