Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gilles J. Seguin wrote: -1 I vote against reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPM_%28image_format%29 your arguments about transparent pixels is wrong, and XPM is more flexible than the others one. Me too. - i do not want to break with the unix tradition of supporting legacy

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 March 2014 16:21, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 March 2014 14:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Microsoft, Apple, and Google set requirements that apps must follow if they want to appear in the software center in order to ensure a good user experience.

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-11 Thread Gilles J. Seguin
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:41 +, Richard Hughes wrote: XPM is an old standard for icons used by a very small number of desktop packages in Fedora. The XPM icons are normally small, mostly 8 bit, and usually without an alpha channel and look very bad in the software center. I'm going to

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 6 March 2014 18:51, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: Not showing app, because they have bad looking icons, seems like a bad idea to me. I'm not sure anyone will be surprised in my goal of making the applications we show users have high quality content. XPM icons are a good first

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2014-03-06, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: XPM is an old standard for icons used by a very small number of desktop packages in Fedora. The XPM icons are normally small, mostly 8 bit, and usually without an alpha channel and look very bad in the software center. I'm going to

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Satyajit Sahoo satyajit.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Apps with ugly icons and ugly design results in bad user experience IMO. They should not be displayed in the software center The quaility of an application has nothing todo, with at fancy icon, not showning the icon

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 March 2014 11:42, Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: GIF is an old standard for icons used by a very small number of desktop packages in Fedora. Also valid. The *two* applications in Fedora using gif icons are asymptote and imagej. Richard -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 12:57, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Satyajit Sahoo satyajit.ha...@gmail.com mailto:satyajit.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Apps with ugly icons and ugly design results in bad user experience IMO. They should not be displayed in the software center The

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 March 2014 11:57, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: what will be the next ? qt apps ? gtk2 apps No, because that would be ridiculous. Hiding applications using GTK1 would of course be okay. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-03-07 12:35 GMT+01:00 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: I'm not sure anyone will be surprised in my goal of making the applications we show users have high quality content. XPM icons are a good first step, then it'll be things like missing icon transparency, AppData, translated AppData

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 13:19 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: says who? as long GTK1 is not forbidden in Fedora there is no valid reason for that statement - you may prefer not having a function at all if it is not beautiful enough for you *but* * beautiful is in the eye of the beholder *

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 15:08, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 13:19 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: says who? as long GTK1 is not forbidden in Fedora there is no valid reason for that statement - you may prefer not having a function at all if it is not beautiful enough for you *but*

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 15:08, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: Ancient icons are a good heuristic that the app is unmaintained and not something the user really wants to install Ancient icons are a good heuristic that a app if it does what i need the next week or month does not get a complete rewrite with

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:57 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: The quaility of an application has nothing todo, with at fancy icon, not showning the icon is ok, but don't show the application is not IMO what will be the next ? qt apps ? gtk2 apps Consider the option of assuming good faith. - ajax

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 March 2014 14:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Microsoft, Apple, and Google set requirements that apps must follow if they want to appear in the software center in order to ensure a good user experience. This is something I absolutely want to do. We already rate the

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Emily Dirsh
it up it will look bad, no matter how well it's designed otherwise. That's just a limitation of the format, and saying so is not flawed. Original-Nachricht Betreff: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons Datum: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:41:00 +

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 20:42, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: On 03/07/2014 11:21 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 7 March 2014 14:08, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Microsoft, Apple, and Google set requirements that apps must follow if they want to appear in the software center in order to

Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-06 Thread Richard Hughes
XPM is an old standard for icons used by a very small number of desktop packages in Fedora. The XPM icons are normally small, mostly 8 bit, and usually without an alpha channel and look very bad in the software center. I'm going to propose for F21 that we drop support for XPM in the metadata

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-06 Thread Tim Lauridsen
Not showing app, because they have bad looking icons, seems like a bad idea to me. what about using some cairo magic to merge the .xpm icon with some other .png frame to make it look better

Re: Proposal: Don't show applications in the software center with XPM icons

2014-03-06 Thread Satyajit Sahoo
Apps with ugly icons and ugly design results in bad user experience IMO. They should not be displayed in the software center. If devs want an icon, there are lots of icon designers out there who can contribute one. You just need to ask. On 7 March 2014 00:21, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com