Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. > It > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > then and only then look at renaming. Hate to resurrect the bikeshed, but I was looking thr

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 10:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 00:48:27 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > * Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data > > > on > > > how > > > often things are

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 00:48:27 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > * Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data on > > how > > often things are broken on the install path. This could be a > > seperate > > report, or we

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:35:05 -0400 Neal Gompa wrote: > ​One thing I would like to see is that Fedora's development code could > reach a state where something like openSUSE's Tumbleweed would be > possible. If we could take daily/weekly/biweekly snapshots of the > repositories for people to use as

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 14:04 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: > > I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad > > connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name > > of the > > thing itself. Someone just the other

Re: Rawhide plans

Jonathan Wakely (jwak...@redhat.com) said: > "Rawhide" already *perfectly* implies rolling to me. > > Rollin' rollin' rollin' though the streams are swollen. Nice to see tht some things survive, some 17 years on https://lwn.net/1998/0820/rawhide.html Bill -- devel mailing list devel@list

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 08/20/2015 03:13 PM, Eric Griffith wrote: >> >> If you have a bad experience that experience stays >> with you. Maybe you can get over it, maybe you can't. But a name does >> have history. > > > I guess, you guys are not aware that other

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/20/2015 03:13 PM, Eric Griffith wrote: If you have a bad experience that experience stays with you. Maybe you can get over it, maybe you can't. But a name does have history. I guess, you guys are not aware that other names related to RH/CentOS/Fedora also have "ambivalent" and "polarizin

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/20/2015 03:42 PM, Zach Villers wrote: Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit : > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It >> sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, >> then and only then look at re

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 14:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Good reputation must be earned, magical tricks do not work (even > lavishly > funded renaming marketing campaigns have little effect, the best one > can > do is to acquire a brand with lots of goodwill and try to subsume > another > in it)

Re: Rawhide plans

Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit : > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It >> sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, >> then and only then look at renaming. > > s/renaming/rebranding/ > > I personally

Re: Rawhide plans

On Aug 20, 2015 9:04 AM, "Jonathan Wakely" wrote: > > On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: >> >> I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad >> connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the >> thing itself. Someone just the other day on the

Re: Rawhide plans

On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the thing itself. Someone just the other day on the Phoronix forums was saying how they still don't trust RPMs becau

Re: Rawhide plans

Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit : > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It >> sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, >> then and only then look at renaming. > > s/renaming/rebranding/ > > I personall

Re: Rawhide plans

I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the thing itself. Someone just the other day on the Phoronix forums was saying how they still don't trust RPMs because of RPM Hell all those years back. The proble

Re: Rawhide plans

On 19/08/15 13:18 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: Rawhide rebrand: Something akin to openSUSE's "Tumbleweed" name. Maybe reuse the "Fedora.Next" name? Something that implies its rolling release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason "Fedora Tophat" just popped into my head as a pun on hats

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/20/2015 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.08.2015 um 06:01 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote: Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would be the perfect name for this. May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me Fedo

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data on > how > often things are broken on the install path. This could be a > seperate > report, or we could hook it up to the rawhide compose. OH HEY LOOK: https://lists.fe

Re: Rawhide plans

Am 20.08.2015 um 06:01 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote: Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would be the perfect name for this. May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me Fedora Next, would be a Fedora distribution addres

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote: Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would be the perfect name for this. May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me Fedora Next, would be a Fedora distribution addressing Steve Job/Apple's NeXt and advertising for

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/19/2015 06:59 PM, Zach Villers wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:18:04 -0400 *Kevin Fenzi * wrote Greetings. We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there, and also allow peop

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 19 Aug, 2015 at 23:09:00 GMT, Ben Cotton wrote: > I thought the "Fedora Tophat" suggestion was pretty awesome. I also > think the bike shed should be light gray. While we're tossing paint around, what about "Fedora Crest" (as in a wave)? It certainly is waves of updates day-after-day. I al

Re: Rawhide plans

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:59:45AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > > Yeah, I thought about "Fedora Next". Mostly along the lines of "Hmmm, > > we've been talking about Fedora.Next for so long as something else that > > it might be really confusing, which is a shame, because it'd be a great > > nam

Re: Rawhide plans

On 8/20/15, Matthew Miller wrote: > Yeah, I thought about "Fedora Next". Mostly along the lines of "Hmmm, > we've been talking about Fedora.Next for so long as something else that > it might be really confusing, which is a shame, because it'd be a great > name for this". :) That's the scheme from

Re: Rawhide plans

Google informs me that was for Debian, nevermind! >.> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Eric Griffith wrote: > Come to think of it, wasn't there an initiative a few years ago to make > Rawhide more stable called "Fedora CUT" ? Continuously Usable Testing or > something similar > > On Wed, Aug 19,

Re: Rawhide plans

Come to think of it, wasn't there an initiative a few years ago to make Rawhide more stable called "Fedora CUT" ? Continuously Usable Testing or something similar On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > I thought the "Fedora Tophat" suggestion was pretty awesome. I also > think the

Re: Rawhide plans

I thought the "Fedora Tophat" suggestion was pretty awesome. I also think the bike shed should be light gray. -- Ben Cotton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Rawhide plans

Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would be the perfect name for this. But the confusion exists so... we either don't use it, or we -do- use it and Marketing makes an announcement that as as part of the continuously-changing plans of what defines "Fedora Next" they are

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 01:18:42PM -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: > Something akin to openSUSE's "Tumbleweed" name. > Maybe reuse the "Fedora.Next" name? Something that implies its rolling > release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason "Fedora Tophat" just > popped into my head as a pun on h

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 09:18:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: 2. Upgrading from a stable release is also often hard due to broken deps, resulting in having to remove packages just to get upgraded. dnf works much better than yum for this. You can use distro-sync with the --allowerasing option t

Re: Rawhide plans

Kevin Fenzi composed on 2015-08-19 09:18 (UTC-0600): > Finally there was mention of the baggage associated with the name > "rawhide". To this day I see people telling others that "rawhide will > eat your babies" or "rawhide is a methlab and will blow up in your face > every day". Boo, hiss on th

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It > > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > > then and only then look at renaming. > > s/renaming/rebranding/ > > I pe

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said: > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It > > > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > > > then and only t

Re: Rawhide plans

Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It > > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > > then and only then look at renaming. > > s/renaming/rebranding/ > > I personally

Re: Rawhide plans

Rawhide rebrand: Something akin to openSUSE's "Tumbleweed" name. Maybe reuse the "Fedora.Next" name? Something that implies its rolling release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason "Fedora Tophat" just popped into my head as a pun on hats and being "ontop" of updates. On Aug 19, 2015 1:

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:18:04 -0400 Kevin Fenzi wrote Greetings. We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there, and also allow people who were there to comment more now tha

Re: Rawhide plans

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:51:26 -0700 Josh Stone wrote: > On 08/19/2015 08:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * Setup some gating. I think it should work like this: > > > > today you build a rawhide build and it tags into f24 tag, which is > > used by the daily compose. > > > > I'd like to change tha

Re: Rawhide plans

On 08/19/2015 08:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Setup some gating. I think it should work like this: > > today you build a rawhide build and it tags into f24 tag, which is used > by the daily compose. > > I'd like to change that to build into a f24-candidate tag. At that > point taskotron or oth

Re: Rawhide plans

Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It > sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first, > then and only then look at renaming. s/renaming/rebranding/ I personally would prefer the name be preserved if at all possible, but

Rawhide plans

Greetings. We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there, and also allow people who were there to comment more now that it's not after 5pm on a friday of the 3rd day of flock. ;) * The problems/issues: