On 6.12.2013 10:56, Jakub Filak wrote:
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
Regarding the discussion, there are two main concernes about adding
abrt-cli to Standard comps group:
1) There will be some notifications popping up which can confuse users.
Not true.
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From: Václav Pavlín vpav...@redhat.com
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes,
uncaught Python exceptions, Kernel oopses and VMCore processing.
There is a bugzilla bug requesting this
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has agreed to
it at install time.
+1
My mother would be puzzled, if ABRT would popup on her Fedora box.
--
Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS
Red Hat, Software Engineer, #brno,
Dne 6.12.2013 12:39, Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has
agreed to it at install time.
+1
My mother would be puzzled, if ABRT would popup on her Fedora box.
Your mother will be
On Pá 6. prosinec 2013, 12:39:09 CET, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has
agreed to it at install time.
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected
crashes,
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected crashes, which
is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled is not very nice, being disappointed by
crashing applications is much worse from my
point of view.
On 12/06/2013 12:51 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 6.12.2013 12:39, Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has
agreed to it at install time.
+1
My mother would be puzzled, if ABRT would
On 12/06/2013 01:05 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected
crashes, which is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled is not very nice, being
disappointed by crashing
On 12/06/2013 02:06 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:51 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 6.12.2013 12:39, Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has
agreed to it at install
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes,
uncaught Python exceptions, Kernel oopses and VMCore
On 12/06/2013 02:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 01:05 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected
crashes, which is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled
Dne 6.12.2013 14:05, Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected
crashes, which is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled is not very nice, being
disappointed by crashing
On 12/06/2013 02:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes,
uncaught
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
So try to look at it from broader perspective - I see more benefits in
having abrt installed.
Such as confidential business information being forwarded to RedHat and
being snooped by the NSA to forward it to your enterprise's competitor?
You
On 12/06/2013 01:14 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 6.12.2013 14:05, Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected
crashes, which is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled is not
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT
On 06.12.2013 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 01:06:14PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
My mother would be puzzled, if ABRT would popup on her Fedora box.
Your mother will be puzzled with crashing application as well.
Better to explain ABRT and have less crashing applications then
the opposite.
ABRT does
On 12/06/2013 01:47 PM, Lukas Zapletal wrote:
We all do fix the application for his mother, after it's reported by
ABRT or any other means:-)
No not really our distribution is filled with just packagers that dont
know what to do with those reports...
ABRT should not be installed by default
On 12/06/2013 02:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps
On 06.12.2013 14:51, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 01:47 PM, Lukas Zapletal wrote:
We all do fix the application for his mother, after it's reported by
ABRT or any other means:-)
No not really our distribution is filled with just packagers that dont
know what to do with those
On 12/06/2013 02:45 PM, Michal Toman wrote:
On 06.12.2013 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
ABRT does not send *any* information unless you agree to do it. Not even
the anonymous reports. It is true that the settings could be in Anaconda
and I think
On 12/06/2013 04:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:45 PM, Michal Toman wrote:
On 06.12.2013 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
ABRT does not send *any* information unless you agree to do it. Not even
the anonymous reports. It is true that
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jakub Filak jfi...@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes,
uncaught Python exceptions, Kernel oopses and VMCore processing.
If -cli means no GUI,
Miroslav Suchý (msu...@redhat.com) said:
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote:
I think abrt serves as good source of info in case of unexpected crashes,
which is quite important to have stable
system. So although being puzzled is not very nice, being disappointed by
crashing
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 16:07 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
This approach has been
working perfectly for many years and I don't think much has changed in
that area lately.
There were reports of abrt sending out private and confidential
information to the net and reports of abrt sending
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 12:39 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
I would say that abrt should not be installed et all unless user has agreed
to it at install time.
+1
My mother would be puzzled, if ABRT would popup on her Fedora box.
That's
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 13:18 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
And what purpose does abrt serve if there aren't people fixing the issue
it reports on the other end...
Well, that's easy enough to shoot down.
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 12:08:22PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 13:18 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
And what purpose does abrt serve if there aren't people fixing the issue
it reports on the other end...
Well, that's easy enough to shoot down.
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 20:06 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jakub Filak jfi...@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'.
The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes,
uncaught Python exceptions,
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 13:51 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
No not really our distribution is filled with just packagers that
dont
know what to do with those reports...
So you're saying: Our maintainers can't fix bugs, why bother filing
them at all?? That doesn't make sense to me at all.
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