Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

2016-10-15 14:39 GMT-03:00 Kevin Fenzi : > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:33:00 +0100 >> If it is true .. maybe can someone help me to understand intention >> packaging texlive like it is now? > > I can try and provide history here. ;) > Disclaimer: This is just what I remember, it could

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 23:38, Matěj Cepl wrote: > On 2016-10-15, 21:55 GMT, Ian Malone wrote: > to be one Red Hat employee who did a lot of TeXLive maintenance > (not much how much in his free time), but he is gone from Red > Hat and now the main maintainer is spot. He is my hero,

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:48:54AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > >>3) Package *only* what is really need or requested by at last one > person > > >What exactly is the *harm* in having things you are not using

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:48:54AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > >>3) Package *only* what is really need or requested by at last one person > >What exactly is the *harm* in having things you are not using packaged > >in Fedora? How does it affect you (or any other user of Fedora) if the > >number

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 10/16/2016 07:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 09:26:36PM +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: 3) Package *only* what is really need or requested by at last one person What exactly is the *harm* in having things you are not using packaged in Fedora? How does it affect you (or

Re: Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

> > Why those vectorised resources are only available as TeX users? > > Why TeX is not prepared to use system wide Type1 font and is not able to > > share those fonts with other applications? > > Why most Type1/TTF fonts are at least served three times as: ghoscript > > fonts, X11/Weyland fonts

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 10/15/2016 08:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:39:35AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> * Perhaps we could split things up a little. I have often wondered if >> just splitting things in 5-10 packages could help, but I would >> absolutely defer to Tom here since he's

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 09:26:36PM +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > 3) Package *only* what is really need or requested by at last one person What exactly is the *harm* in having things you are not using packaged in Fedora? How does it affect you (or any other user of Fedora) if the number of people

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 2016-10-15, 21:55 GMT, Ian Malone wrote: > I apologise, I have clearly failed in my obligation to answer > every one of your questions in detail and debate the use and > existence of TeX purely on your terms. Please continue in your > campaign to have it discontinued, I suggest you now write

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 21:26:36 +0100 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 15 October 2016 at 18:39, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > [..] > > > * If you have specific ideas for improvements, do file bugs and > > attach your patches or explain what you think would help. I'm

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 20:58, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 15 October 2016 at 12:55, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> > What was scarry 9 years ago now is even more scary today. >> > Will try to present you what is in texlive today over now available rpm >> >

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 2016-10-15, 19:58 GMT, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > You are losing the point. > It doesn't matter how and for what I'm using TeX. I've not said even single > word about how I'm using TeX. Back to the point. Do you have some suggestions what to do? Any reply to my previous email? Matěj --

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 18:39, Kevin Fenzi wrote: [..] > * If you have specific ideas for improvements, do file bugs and attach > your patches or explain what you think would help. I'm sure he would > love to hear it. > 1) Package base texlive binaries with base set of

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 12:55, Ian Malone wrote: > > What was scarry 9 years ago now is even more scary today. > > Will try to present you what is in texlive today over now available rpm > > packages. > > What exactly are you using TeX for? The following examples suggest you >

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 11:39:35AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Perhaps we could split things up a little. I have often wondered if > just splitting things in 5-10 packages could help, but I would > absolutely defer to Tom here since he's been doing the work and he > was my sponsor 10 years

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:33:00 +0100 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 14 October 2016 at 16:02, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Making personal attacks or calling people names is not acceptable. > > > > Did I call someone name? .. hmm ?? Yes, as Adam noted you

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 15 October 2016 at 00:03, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." > >> is what you wrote. > > Yes it is. > > Probably you never had occasion to have closer look what exactly is > maintained in texlive source tree. > I had fist time been

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 2016-10-14, 23:03 GMT, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > Probably more than 50% (if not more than 80%) of the TeX live > is like this. Most of the resources should be archived and > preserved for next generation cyber archeologist however now > they should not be served as regular rpm packages

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Sat, 2016-10-15 at 00:03 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > > "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." > > is what you wrote. > > Yes it is. > > Probably you never had occasion to have closer look what exactly is > maintained in texlive source tree. [snip] 1. Yes I did, in fact. 2. That's

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

> "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." > is what you wrote. Yes it is. Probably you never had occasion to have closer look what exactly is maintained in texlive source tree. I had fist time been trying to contemplate what exactly is texlive tree about 9 years ago. What was scarry 9

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Fri, 2016-10-14 at 17:33 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 14 October 2016 at 16:02, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Making personal attacks or calling people names is not acceptable. > > > > Did I call someone name? .. hmm ?? "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." is what

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On 14 October 2016 at 16:02, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Making personal attacks or calling people names is not acceptable. > Did I call someone name? .. hmm ?? My comment is not about persons but about exact work which has been done by someone. It refers not to who done thys but HOW

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:35:00 +0100 Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > Hi, ...snip... Can you please refresh your memory on the Fedora Code of conduct? https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct Making personal attacks or calling people names is not acceptable. There have been some

Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

Hi, Quote (old joke): Pessimist: It is bad. It is really bad. It is so bad that it cannot be worse!!! :(( Optimist: No, you are wrong .. It can be worse :))) Today early morning I've started upgrade of my laptop with Fedora rawhide just by execute "dnf upgrade" and approve manually list packages