Due to lack of popular support for the idea (to put it mildly), I
won't be doing this.
Thank you all for participating in the discussion and good arguments
(both pro and con).
Zbyszek
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 08:55:56PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> currently, we
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 8:18 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
>
> Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 19:59 +0200, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit :
> > On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:45 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> > wrote:
> > > Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> > > > On Fri, 3 Ma
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, at 10:14 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> Second, do you not even know that Mock passes --nodeps to rpmbuild
> because the rpmdb in the chroot isn't necessarily compatible with rpm
> in the chroot? We currently don't allow rpmbuild to evaluate
> dependencies at all. We may change th
Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 19:59 +0200, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit :
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:45 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> wrote:
> > Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> > > On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> > > wrote:
> > > [..]
> > > > Y
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:45 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
>
> Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> > On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> > wrote:
> > [..]
> > > You're assuming the only use is roolback. It's not
> >
> > Point taken. Can you
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 8:26 AM Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 12:44, Nicolas Mailhot
> wrote:
> [..]
> > > Point taken. Can you shortly describe other use cases?
> >
> > You use apps in one of those languages that static build by default.
> > There is a security alert in one cod
On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 12:44, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
[..]
> > Point taken. Can you shortly describe other use cases?
>
> You use apps in one of those languages that static build by default.
> There is a security alert in one code component. You want to know which
> packages in your repo/mirror have
Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> wrote:
> [..]
> > You're assuming the only use is roolback. It's not
>
> Point taken. Can you shortly describe other use cases?
You use apps in one of those languages that s
On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
[..]
> You're assuming the only use is roolback. It's not
Point taken. Can you shortly describe other use cases?
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Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 09:46 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> ial today, because the storage part has not been streamlined.
>
> As I wrote problem only is that without possibility really rollback
> to
> the full state described in set of exact N-E:V-Rs packages recorded
> data such auditing da
On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 20:29, Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
[..]
> > IMO maintainer in this case is 100% right because all properties of
> > the build env already can be described in with enough precision.
> > Providing more details about build env will be duplicating current
> > build dependenc
On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 09:46, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
[..]
> http://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/release/en/
URL correction: http://pkg.oracle.com/solaris/release/
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Le mercredi 01 mai 2019 à 13:12 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 09:04, Nicolas Mailhot <
> nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote:
> [..]
> > > One of those specs is elfutils.spec in which is:
> > >
> > > %check
> > > # Record some build root versions in build.log
> > > uname -
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 6:15 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:04:55PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:50 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:47 AM Tomasz Kłoczko <
> kloczko.tom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 09:04, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
[..]
> > One of those specs is elfutils.spec in which is:
> >
> > %check
> > # Record some build root versions in build.log
> > uname -r; rpm -q glibc
>
> Funny; that’s pretty much
> https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/607
>
>
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:04:55PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:50 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:47 AM Tomasz Kłoczko
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 20:09, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > [..]
> > >>
> > >> The work required to fix pa
Le mercredi 01 mai 2019 à 08:18 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit :
> On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 03:24, Neal Gompa wrote:
> [..]
> >
> Just checked all Fedora spec files to find few of them which are
> using straight rpm command in %build or %check.
> One of those specs is elfutils.spec in which is:
>
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 03:24, Neal Gompa wrote:
[..]
> Second, do you not even know that Mock passes --nodeps to rpmbuild
> because the rpmdb in the chroot isn't necessarily compatible with rpm
> in the chroot? We currently don't allow rpmbuild to evaluate
> dependencies at all. We may change this
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:50 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:47 AM Tomasz Kłoczko
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 20:09, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > [..]
> >>
> >> The work required to fix packages affected by this disadvantage
> >> (potentially) far outweighs any advantage
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:42 PM Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 21:04, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>
>> > And what is wrong with just "BuildRequires: pkgconfig"?
>>
>> That is no guarantee that '/usr/bin/pkg-config' will be provided,
>> which is required by the dep generator and various t
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 21:04, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > And what is wrong with just "BuildRequires: pkgconfig"?
>
> That is no guarantee that '/usr/bin/pkg-config' will be provided,
> which is required by the dep generator and various tools.
>
You just put in my hand +1 to not use paths in BuildRequ
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:49 PM Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 18:19, Neal Gompa wrote:
> [..]
>>
>> If we're going to go down this road, it should be
>>
>> BuildRequires: /usr/bin/pkg-config
>>
>> That's what's required for the dep generator to work, too.
>
>
> And what is wron
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 18:19, Neal Gompa wrote:
[..]
> If we're going to go down this road, it should be
>
> BuildRequires: /usr/bin/pkg-config
>
> That's what's required for the dep generator to work, too.
>
And what is wrong with just "BuildRequires: pkgconfig"?
Don't you see that this forces
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:38 PM Kalev Lember wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:20 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 02:00:41PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > Proposal: let's drop the autogenerated dependen
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:20 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 02:00:41PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Proposal: let's drop the autogenerated dependency on
> /usr/bin/pkg-config
> > > (this would re
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 14:59, Neal Gompa wrote:
[,,]
> > Bollocks .. just sed/perl oneliner which will add BuildRequires:
> pkgconfig if in package is used any "BuildRequires: pkgconfig() and
> remove from rpmdependencies autogenerator add "Requires: pkgconfig" if
> package has any on the list an
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:47 AM Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 20:09, Rex Dieter wrote:
> [..]
>>
>> The work required to fix packages affected by this disadvantage
>> (potentially) far outweighs any advantage
>
>
> Bollocks .. just sed/perl oneliner which will add BuildRequires
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 20:09, Rex Dieter wrote:
[..]
> The work required to fix packages affected by this disadvantage
> (potentially) far outweighs any advantage
>
Bollocks .. just sed/perl oneliner which will add BuildRequires: pkgconfig
if in package is used any "BuildRequires: pkgconfig() an
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:34 AM Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 28. 04. 19 v 22:55 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a):
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> > that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
> > return
Dne 28. 04. 19 v 22:55 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a):
> Hi everyone,
>
> currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
> returns 4632 entries on my laptop.
>
> This has always felt backward to m
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 02:00:41PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Proposal: let's drop the autogenerated dependency on /usr/bin/pkg-config
> > > (this would require a trivial chang
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 02:00:41PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
>
> > Proposal: let's drop the autogenerated dependency on /usr/bin/pkg-config
> > (this would require a trivial change in /usr/lib/rpm/pkgconfigdeps.sh).
> >
> > Note: autogenerated Provides/Requi
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Proposal: let's drop the autogenerated dependency on /usr/bin/pkg-config
> (this would require a trivial change in /usr/lib/rpm/pkgconfigdeps.sh).
>
> Note: autogenerated Provides/Requires like pkgconfig(foo) are not
> part of this proposal.
>
> Advantages:
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 06:29:06AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:04 AM Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> >
> > On So, 28.04.19 20:55, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-co
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:05 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 06:29:06AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:04 AM Lennart Poettering
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On So, 28.04.19 20:55, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl)
> > > wrote:
>
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:04 AM Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> On So, 28.04.19 20:55, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> > that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin
On So, 28.04.19 20:55, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
> returns 4632 entries on my laptop.
You probably need som
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:04 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
> returns 4632 entries on my laptop.
>
> This ha
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:34 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:57 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> > that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
>
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:57 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
> that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
> returns 4632 entries on my laptop.
>
> This has always felt backwa
Hi everyone,
currently, we autogenerate a dependency on pkg-config for all rpms
that ship a .pc file. "dnf repoquery --whatrequires /usr/bin/pkg-config"
returns 4632 entries on my laptop.
This has always felt backward to me: those packages *provide* something
that is used by pkg-config, they don'
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