Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Joshua N Pritikin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the key word is "Trojan Horse": > > "I believe the best educational tool is constructionism and the best > software development method is Open Source. In some cases those are best > achieved like the Trojan H

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Tom Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Torello Querci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If is possible to use normal windows application on top Su

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:24 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > At 01:29 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: > >

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
Thanks for talking with us. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > People keep asking me: > > Yes, OLPC's commitment to Sugar has changed. It is now larger, not smaller. > Contrary to inferences drawn by Walter's departure, the press and venerable >

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread NoiseEHC
Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:37:08PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > >> I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your >> question from the technical perspective. >> > > As a former Windows developer (using both proprietary APIs and Free > APIs), I

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > with my notes from the last software-status meeting and a few other > bits and pieces, my plan is to follow roughly the spec but with a few > changes. I'll tidy-up and update http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_backup_restor

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Tomeu, Ivan, with my notes from the last software-status meeting and a few other bits and pieces, my plan is to follow roughly the spec but with a few changes. Making a backup: - Initial HTTP check for protocol and XS availability stays. We drop the 'nonce' value. - Q: Any reason for this bein

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I'm running Joyride 1894, manually updated to 1896 level. My installed sugar-presence-service is 0.79.3-1.olpc2 [Had a bit of trouble with 'telepathy-plugin.py' -- changed some single quotes to double quotes.] Write (and all other Activities I've tried) work for me. mikus (G1G1)

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Joshua N Pritikin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Once we close the > deal, we can deliver Sugar ... and before anybody figures out what is > going on, all the teachers and students will fall in love with Sugar + > GNU/Linux (Troy was destroyed; clearly, there is a

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 03:47:13AM +0200, Shikhar wrote: > In other words, "embrace, extend and extinguish" ;-) What goes around, comes around, no? -- Make April 15 just another day, visit http://fairtax.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.or

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread david
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, John Watlington wrote: > On Apr 23, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> MPP support is in place, but it does not play well with the School >> Server >> (and possibly DHCP), so it has been disabled. MAP supp

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Shikhar
> To spell it out, Windows + Sugar is the Trojan Horse. However, we are > "secretly" filling up the Trojan Horse with free software. In other > words, the free software community are the Greek warriors. The idea is > that slightly indiscriminate decision makers (the Trojans) will buy our > Tro

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:09:13PM -0400, Tom Hoffman wrote: > Given that this would make Sugar accessible to millions of children > around the world already using Windows, I can't see how this would be > a bad thing. On the other hand, I can't see how either OLPC or > Microsoft has much motivatio

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Ricardo Carrano
(sigh, again) I did not distort anything. The suggestion that OLPC should remove the mesh is there. And this suggestion is hardly based on a first hand experience or in a technical analysis. People who never put three XOs together keep repeating this based on a quite vague idea that the tickets ar

Re: [sugar] Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Looking at trac, wireless is one of the biggest sources of bugs and the > community can hardly do anything about it. Normally, somebody who > complains can be told to fix the code, but with a closed wireless > firmware, complaining is the only possible action. >

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Tom Hoffman
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Torello Querci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If is possible to use normal windows application on top Sugar+Windows the > > educational project is broken because the developers what ne

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 24.04.2008 02:00, Ricardo Carrano wrote: > (...) > >> This isn't what I was talking about. Forget about the mesh. Ban it >> from your mind. >> (...) the troublesome Mesh and just live with the 802.11b/g, >> >> > > "Ban (...) the troublesome Mesh" you say. Sigh. > You forgot to quo

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Gilmore wrote: | The IETF "ZeroConf" protocols provide for self-assignment of IP | addresses in such a case. (The same thing happens if you plug two | laptops together with a short Ethernet cable and no DHCP server.) | | Does the OLPC Presence Se

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Ricardo Carrano
(...) > > This isn't what I was talking about. Forget about the mesh. Ban it > from your mind. > (...) the troublesome Mesh and just live with the 802.11b/g, > "Ban (...) the troublesome Mesh" you say. Sigh. There is not a single piece of software or hardware in any innovative project that wasn

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > In 1896, I am consistently unable to open Write. Everything else > seems to work. I guess I don't recommend 1896, for that reason. I > don't know when this bug was introduced. The tinderbox (which I'm not quite ready to promote again yet) says that it could launch Write, and tha

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Simon Schampijer wrote: | | Chris Ball wrote: | |> Hi, | |> | |>> Can anybody suggest a relatively functional Joyride with the new UI | |>> ? I'm at the end of a think pipe, and probably won't have time to | |>

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread John Gilmore
> | The presence implementation only works on access points and on meshes -- > | but not on non-meshed, ad-hoc 802.11. The vast majority of computers > | with 802.11 don't have mesh, but they would benefit from being able to > | "see" nearby laptops and share applications with them ... > > There i

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Schampijer wrote: | Chris Ball wrote: |> Hi, |> |>> Can anybody suggest a relatively functional Joyride with the new UI |>> ? I'm at the end of a think pipe, and probably won't have time to |>> download a second image if the first is

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:37:08PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your > question from the technical perspective. As a former Windows developer (using both proprietary APIs and Free APIs), I'm very confident that the collaborative us

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> Can anybody suggest a relatively functional Joyride with the new UI >> ? I'm at the end of a think pipe, and probably won't have time to >> download a second image if the first is marginal... > >> 1896 ? > > The new Journal design landed in 1895, and

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
2008/4/24 Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 23.04.2008, at 23:47, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > 2008/4/23 Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> So I am assuming the policy would apply to effort porting > >> activities to windows. > >> But this should make us much slower... >

Re: Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Can anybody suggest a relatively functional Joyride with the new UI > ? I'm at the end of a think pipe, and probably won't have time to > download a second image if the first is marginal... > 1896 ? The new Journal design landed in 1895, and there were many sugar changes in 18

Joyride

2008-04-23 Thread John Watlington
Can anybody suggest a relatively functional Joyride with the new UI ? I'm at the end of a think pipe, and probably won't have time to download a second image if the first is marginal... 1896 ? wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http:/

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread John Watlington
On Apr 23, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Gilmore wrote: > | The presence implementation only works on access points and on > meshes -- > | but not on non-meshed, ad-hoc 802.11. The vast majority of > computers > | wit

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:47:09 +0200, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > 2008/4/23 Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > So I am assuming the policy would apply to effort porting activities to > > windows. > > But this should make us much slower... > > Not necessary. Application developed within Squ

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.04.2008, at 23:47, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > 2008/4/23 Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> So I am assuming the policy would apply to effort porting >> activities to windows. >> But this should make us much slower... > > Not necessary. Application developed within Squeak/Smalltalk will

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your > question from the technical perspective. I do know that to launch an > effort to port to Windows will require resources above and beyond what > are

Re: [Fwd: Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.]

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would suggest that you don't really understand the reason for > supporting open source. No software running on top of XP, for example, > will free of the pressures form MS to do what they want you to do. And > what the

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
2008/4/23 Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So I am assuming the policy would apply to effort porting activities to > windows. > But this should make us much slower... Not necessary. Application developed within Squeak/Smalltalk will for most of them do not need any porting effort. Hilaire

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Torello Querci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With a lot of friends we are create a legal association called "OLPC Italia" > to allow the Italian citizens to buy OLPC using G1G1. There currently is no G1G1. Do you mean GiveMany? My organization tried to buy from

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Walter Bender
I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your question from the technical perspective. I do know that to launch an effort to port to Windows will require resources above and beyond what are currently available. Is that the best use of resources? There is an argue to suggest

Re: Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Gilmore wrote: | The presence implementation only works on access points and on meshes -- | but not on non-meshed, ad-hoc 802.11. The vast majority of computers | with 802.11 don't have mesh, but they would benefit from being able to | "see" near

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread John Gilmore
> Considering the complete sentence, it is clear to me that this is a > case of the reporter being confused by technology. We all know that > Sugar could never run on Windows as well it as can run on Linux. The > laptop might run Windows or Linux or both, but not Sugar on Windows. Do "we all know"

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Seth Woodworth
Between Walter Bender, who practically lives at 1cc and has been part of the entire development, and NN, who by all accounts is rarely in his office at 1cc, I say that the SD was just an offshoot of the ASIC chip. Besides that's what what I've heard everyone else at OLPC say. NN also said that Wi

[Fwd: Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.]

2008-04-23 Thread Aaron Konstam
I would suggest that you don't really understand the reason for supporting open source. No software running on top of XP, for example, will free of the pressures form MS to do what they want you to do. And what they want you to do may have nothing to do with the desires of teachers and students acr

Re: [Community-news] on splitting Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:43 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That said, Sugar needs to > > > be disentangled. I keep using the omelet analogy, claiming it needs to > be a > > > fried egg, with distinct yoke and white, rather than having the UI, > > > collaborative tools, powe

Re: [Community-news] on splitting Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread John Gilmore
> > That said, Sugar needs to > > be disentangled. I keep using the omelet analogy, claiming it needs to be a > > fried egg, with distinct yoke and white, rather than having the UI, > > collaborative tools, power management and radios merge into one amorphous > > blob. > > My understanding is that

New joyride build 1896

2008-04-23 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1896 Changes in build 1896 from build: 1895 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-presence-service 0.79.2-1.olpc2 +sugar-presence-service 0.79.3-1.olpc2 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pk

FAQ software

2008-04-23 Thread John Watlington
Any recommendations for software for Peru to build an FAQ site ? Yes, there are Wikis. Votes for the easiest to install and maintain ? Is there anything better out there ? wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listi

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Korakurider
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:24 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > At 01:29 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: > > You have been saying variations of this for a while now, but: > > * OLPC has not h

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > > Wad's too simple, I am hoping to use a slightly simplified version of > > Ivan's. For the restore part, I think I will drastically simplify > > things from Ivan's a

Dailymotion videos on the XO laptop

2008-04-23 Thread Sebastien Adgnot
Hi all, I sent an email a few months ago to introduce you to Dailymotion and express our interest in making our videos available on the XO laptop as part of the OLPC effort. Through the efforts of the Dailymotion team, we have made great progress since my last email. I learned from the people on

Re: on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Gerard J. Cerchio
Nicholas Negroponte wrote: > > We are not a business, but need to be more business-like: meet > schedules, manage expectations and fulfill promises. To do that, we > need to hire more developers, work more together and spend less time > arguing. I am becoming available mid May and certainly w

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Tomeu, Superb - thanks for the info! some questions below... 2008/4/23 Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We have in ~/.sugar/default/datastore/store all the files that contain > the "opaque" data of every entry, named by an uuid that identifies the > entry. So this is the actual data store

Re: Collaboration tools running over standard ethernet

2008-04-23 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Marcus Leech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your (virtual) XO doesn't have an 802.11 interface, do the > collaboration tools still work, and if so, how? Yes, they work. There's no dependency on the mesh. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_sharing for an over

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
2008/4/21 Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks Walter, > Does this mean you have approved Uzbec, Pashto, French Canadian, and Kazakh? We don't have localization projects for Uzbek or Kazakh. Should we start them? Looking at the table, I also see Armenian, for which there is no localization. Sh

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Corbet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open > > platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That > > said, it is somewhat revisionis

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 01:29 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote: > You have been saying variations of this for a while now, but: > * OLPC has not hired any Windows developers > * OLPC has not adjusted its timeline to allow for time necessar

Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I > couldn't be more excited. > Fantastic. Please keep up a steady photo stream! The rest of your email is perfectly put. --SJ I find this discussi

Re: Turkish keyboard layout

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest > of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close > contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the > time,

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Thanks for sharing your ideas about Sugar with us. Some comments follow below. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux platforms > and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discuss

Re: [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux platforms > and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discussions with Microsoft > for several months, to explore a dual boot version of the X

on Sugar

2008-04-23 Thread Nicholas Negroponte
People keep asking me: Yes, OLPC’s commitment to Sugar has changed. It is now larger, not smaller. Contrary to inferences drawn by Walter’s departure, the press and venerable sources such as OLPC News, we are scaling Sugar up, not down. Let me explain.   Sugar is a very good idea, less than perf

Attention Pilot programs: upgrade your B2s!

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Pilot programs with B2s and earlier should apply to have them upgraded to B4s or C2s (G1G1 machines) in order that you can continue to use the latest software releases. Our developer and pilot processes have been somewhat stalled for a while, but I've been told that they've been recently unjammed

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Jonathan Corbet
Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Second, regarding Microsoft, I agree that if it is to be an open > platform, it should be open to everyone, including Microsoft. That > said, it is somewhat revisionist to suggest that the SD card was added > on behalf of Microsoft Such statements certai

This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-23 Thread Bryan Berry
Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I couldn't be more excited. I find this discussion about the future of OLPC frankly *annoying* and tiresome. The future of OLPC isn't at 1CC. It's at pilot schools around the world. It's in the hands of kids. The software and hard

Collaboration tools running over standard ethernet

2008-04-23 Thread Marcus Leech
If your (virtual) XO doesn't have an 802.11 interface, do the collaboration tools still work, and if so, how? -- Marcus LeechMail: Dept 1A12, M/S: 04352P16 Security Standards AdvisorPhone: (ESN) 393-9145 +1 613 763 9145 Strategic Standards Nortel Networks

Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 06:14:21PM +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: > But it did happen, so now people want to be reassured that their *very > precious spare time* will not be wasted. Please do not let present doubt stop you from using your power to advance our mutual cause. If you doubt, seek the reassu

Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 08:05 -0700, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 04:31:30PM +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:05 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote: > > > Maybe we could take a break from > > > talking about the sky falling until we hear something from Negroponte >

Free memory on Image Files

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Lewis
I have been working with Java on the XO. I installed sun's standard java on my XO with no real difficulty. When I try with one of the more recent images I find that the install (about 80MB) fails because the disk id full. df on an emulator running with a more recent joyride reveals only 60mb fr

Re: Onward

2008-04-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.04.2008, at 17:53, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> On 23.04.2008, at 03:38, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> I think the rest of us should go talk to Mark Shuttleworth. And Mary >>> Lou, of course. >> >> And Walter. And

Re: Onward

2008-04-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23.04.2008, at 03:38, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > I think the rest of us should go talk to Mark Shuttleworth. And Mary > > Lou, of course. > > And Walter. And Ivan. And Andres. > > And the many developers, and desig

Where is Jim?

2008-04-23 Thread Jim Gettys
I've had at least one email query on the topic of where I've been the last few months, as I've been scarce and very quiet. So I'll remove speculation since not everyone hears the same things through the grapevine, efficient though it may be. I've just finished up the second of two rounds of surger

Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 04:31:30PM +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:05 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote: > > Maybe we could take a break from > > talking about the sky falling until we hear something from Negroponte > > or someone else at 1CC regarding Windows? > > A clear statement o

Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:05 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote: > I'm new around here, but it seems like this whole conversation is > based on a bunch of what-ifs surrounding that AP article. People > generally seem on the same page that switching to Windows and non-free > software would be a Bad Thing. M

Onward

2008-04-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.04.2008, at 03:38, Edward Cherlin wrote: > I think the rest of us should go talk to Mark Shuttleworth. And Mary > Lou, of course. And Walter. And Ivan. And Andres. And the many developers, and designers, and testers, and organizers, and teachers, and donors, and supporters of any nature

Re: Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread linaccess
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:05:16 +0200 "Bobby Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe we could take a break from talking about the sky falling until > we hear something from Negroponte or someone else at 1CC regarding Windows? I think everybody would be glad to hear an official statement and near

Re: to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 23.04.2008, at 11:01, Ties Stuij wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you have any particular area in eToys that you would like to see >> profiled, analyzed and maybe optimized? > > Yes! Of course ;o) > > Sorry for reacting so late on such

Re: Where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Bobby Powers
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This lack of transperency is *exactly* the sort of behaviour that kills > free software and other volunteer projects. People are not going to donate > their own precious time to a project that may ultimately shaft them. > > The comm

Re: [Community-news] [sugar] where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Steve Holton
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Illinois, as I said somewhere in this thread, wants to put laptops > into 300 schools to start. Just a quick question, probably off-topic, but is Illinois interested in giving kids *XO's* or *laptops*? Because if Illinoi

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/23 Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/4/23 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan Krstić > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My solution is the simplest design I could crea

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/23 Martin Edmund Sevior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've stayed away from this discussion until now. But for my own part, if the > OLPC becomes just another laptop running "standard" educational software of > the kind that inhabits my daughters primary school, I'm no longer interested > in the pr

Re: [squeak-dev] Re: to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-23 Thread karl
Ties Stuij wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Do you have any particular area in eToys that you would like to see >> profiled, analyzed and maybe optimized? >> > > Yes! Of course ;o) > > Sorry for reacting so late on such an inviting mai

Re: Synchronizing xs-0.3 and xo-??? --- backups

2008-04-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/4/22 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/4/22 Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 2008/4/22 Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > 2008/4/22 Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ivan

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi all, in general I *think* we should be careful with interviews and information out there on the net. Information with 'sugar on windows' seems odd to me at least when it comes with no further explanation what this exactly would mean. So we should not take decisions on 50% speculation, and

Re: Re : olpc kernel & open80211s

2008-04-23 Thread Urko Fernandez
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 09:33 +, wahida mansouri wrote: > Hi ; > > how can I check if I am "master" or "stable". > Thanks. > git branch you can change to the stable branch with: git checkout stable ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re : olpc kernel & open80211s

2008-04-23 Thread wahida mansouri
Hi ; how can I check if I am "master" or "stable". Thanks. - Message d'origine De : Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À : wahida mansouri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc : devel@lists.laptop.org Envoyé le : Samedi, 19 Avril 2008, 20h16mn 05s Objet : Re: olpc kernel & open80211s Presently, you

Re: to be deployed Epaati version is out!

2008-04-23 Thread Ties Stuij
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have any particular area in eToys that you would like to see > profiled, analyzed and maybe optimized? Yes! Of course ;o) Sorry for reacting so late on such an inviting mail. One of our most pressing problems has

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Torello Querci
With a lot of friends we are create a legal association called "OLPC Italia" to allow the Italian citizens to buy OLPC using G1G1. For us the most important thing is the "Educational Project" but sell the XO with XP is not an educational project. We accept Sugar as core of the user interface b

Re: Walter leaving and shift to XP.

2008-04-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Walter Bender wrote: > > First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a > > choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player, > > Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by def