8.2 Kernel status update

2008-07-01 Thread Deepak Saxena
Hi, I'm out of town in meetings all day tommorrow so won't make it to the software status meeting. From a kernel POV, the biggest bugs in 8.2 AFAIK are touchpad issues (7341) and wireless suspend resume issues (7303). Dilinger has a patch for the former that disables pen tablet mode that will

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists.

2008-07-01 Thread Kim Quirk
Scott, I think we all agree that communications can improve and constructive ideas on how to do that are always welcome. I'm not sure how you decided that we had consensus on following Mozilla's design principles. I don't remember being part of that discussion. I'm not sure how we define consensus

How do we manage translation effort in Release process/roadmap?

2008-07-01 Thread Korakurider
Hi, all. I have read though Greg's release process draft of OLPC (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home) and ReleaseTeam/Roadmap of SugarLabs (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap). But both draft documents haven't explained translation of software (including activity) and othe

New joyride build 2097

2008-07-01 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2097 Changes in build 2097 from build: 2096 Size delta: -0.13M -kernel 2.6.25-20080630.1.olpc.4ae580e3a9597a7 +kernel 2.6.25-20080701.1.olpc.5001ddd18d37eee -cdparanoia-libs alpha9.8-30 +cdparanoia-libs 10.0-2.fc9 -glib2 2.16.3-5.fc9 +gl

Re: custom kernel problems

2008-07-01 Thread Scott Douglass
Sorry to reply to my own post... This patch to linux-2.6.22/arch/i386/Makefile enables the "stable" kernel to build on F9: - diff --git a/arch/i386/Makefile b/arch/i386/Makefile index bd28f9f..790e378 100644 --- a/arch/i386/Makefile +++ b/arch/i386

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-01 Thread Kim Quirk
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for all the comments on the Development Process. > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home > > A few gentle suggestions on managing the input. > > A - My intention is that this page > (http://wiki.lap

Re: Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues - Notes

2008-07-01 Thread Kim Quirk
My thoughts in-line... Kim On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > - Kim will check with Peru and Greg will check with Uruguay teams to > > ensure that they do not plan to upgrade to

Re: [Deploy] fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-01 Thread Kim Quirk
For testing, Scott, we are growing a set of each new keyboard/language laptop that comes out of manufacturing. The 'ultimate' test for fonts, translations, keyboard integration is to load a build on these laptops. I have two of each new SKU and I have tried to label one as 'WP' (write protected fo

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the activities are in ~/Activities . I spoke w/ Bernie about this and he > told me that you couldn't remove activities unless they had been > originally installed by the user. I may have misunderstood him and be > wasting your

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Bryan Berry
the activities are in ~/Activities . I spoke w/ Bernie about this and he told me that you couldn't remove activities unless they had been originally installed by the user. I may have misunderstood him and be wasting your time w/ a moot issue. I will test it myself when I get into the office this mo

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>You can delete those from the Journal. Is that insufficient for some >>reason? > > yeah, if the activity comes pre-installed you can't remove it. We include a > lot of activities in our custom build as I imagine Peru and Ur

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Bryan Berry
>You can delete those from the Journal. Is that insufficient for some >reason? yeah, if the activity comes pre-installed you can't remove it. We include a lot of activities in our custom build as I imagine Peru and Uruguay do ___ Devel mailing list

Re: Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Need to be able to remove activities via the GUI, including installed > activities, to make room for new ones. We are working on Offline Moodle > activity bundles for courses. Each course will be subdivided into weekly > mo

Release 8.2.0 -- pls add critical features

2008-07-01 Thread Bryan Berry
I know that Nepal is a small potato compared to Peru and Uruguay but there are two features that we really need. Furthermore, I think these features would immensely benefit the bigger deployments. 1. Need to be able to launch activities such as Scratch, EToys, Pippy, etc. by clicking on a hyperli

custom kernel problems

2008-07-01 Thread Scott Douglass
Hi, In regards to: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rebuilding_OLPC_kernel I gave up on the git "head" kernel as there seems to be a lot of bugs there, and tried to build the origin/stable kernel. I'm running a Fedora 9 (i386) system for doing the build. I get this set of messages and the kernel fail

New joyride build 2096

2008-07-01 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2096 Changes in build 2096 from build: 2095 Size delta: 2.23M +thaifonts-scalable 0.4.9-3.fc9 -libthai-devel 0.1.9-4.fc9 --- Included thaifonts-scalable version 0.4.9-3.fc9 --- -- This mail was automatically generated See http://de

Freezing features this week.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
ear world, We're FREEZING OUR FEATURE-SET THIS WEEK, which means that features targeted at the 8.2.0 release should be IN A JOYRIDE BUILD BY THIS SUNDAY, JULY 6TH. If the outlines of your feature aren't a) in Joyride by the end of the week, [1] b) documented in a release contract in [2]

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> C. Scott Ananian wrote: >>> >>> We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago >>> for thai font support. However

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> >> We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago >> for thai font support. However, no one here now remembers where this >> font came from, or where the upstream came

Re: Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues - Notes

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Kim will check with Peru and Greg will check with Uruguay teams to > ensure that they do not plan to upgrade to 8.2.0. Action item due by > July 20. Why don't we want them to use 8.2? I suspect some words were left out, and

Re: Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues - Notes

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We talked about what this page offers that we don't already have. The > conclusion was that its a high level view of the main features in the > release. Each item on this page should include a list of relevant bug id > that giv

Re: fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago > for thai font support. However, no one here now remembers where this > font came from, or where the upstream came from. Can someone familiar > with thai support help out? Ideally we'd like to confirm

fonts-thai-ttf has been abandoned!

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
We added a package named 'fonts-thai-ttf' to our builds a while ago for thai font support. However, no one here now remembers where this font came from, or where the upstream came from. Can someone familiar with thai support help out? Ideally we'd like to confirm the licensing and then grow a ma

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-01 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, Thanks for all the comments on the Development Process. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home A few gentle suggestions on managing the input. A - My intention is that this page (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home) will be the final page. So please put comments and di

New joyride build 2095

2008-07-01 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2095 Changes in build 2095 from build: 2094 Size delta: -0.13M +olpc-hardware-manager 0.4.2-1.fc9 --- Included olpc-hardware-manager version 0.4.2-1.fc9 --- -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/an

pedal and crank (dev) slowness tonight due to backups 20080701-2008-0702

2008-07-01 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
I am backing up crank and pedal to the new machines owl and swan today. Doing this during business hours was causing slowness in git today so I have desisted until midnight tonight, when I will restart the backups. There may be periodic slowness due to backups and moving things around over the hol

re: Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues - Notes

2008-07-01 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, Marco, Greg, Kim, Joe, Paul, Eben, Chris, Scott, Jim, Denis, Michael and others people met on Tuesday July 1 at 2PM US ET via IRC, phone and in person. Sorry for the long e-mail but it was a very productive meeting and I want to keep everyone in the loop. Agenda is at: http://lists.la

Re: New joyride build 2094

2008-07-01 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Tuesday 01 July 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2094 > > > > Changes in build 2094 from build: 2092 > > > > Size delta: -0.79M > > > > -fonts-thai-ttf 0.4

Re: New joyride build 2094

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:47 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2094 >> >> Changes in build 2094 from build: 2092 >> >> Size delta: -0.79M >> >>

Re: New joyride build 2094

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2094 > > Changes in build 2094 from build: 2092 > > Size delta: -0.79M > > -fonts-thai-ttf 0.4.4-1olpc1.2 Was this intentional? I think Bryan Berry's like to

Inappropriate use of private meetings & lists.

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
When Mozilla went public, the first item on their list of "design principles" was: "External development counts more than convenience or ease-of-habit for internal-to-Netscape developers. The Netscape X-heads, for example, have moved all of their mail usage except for I'm-out-sick-today and any

New joyride build 2094

2008-07-01 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2094 Changes in build 2094 from build: 2092 Size delta: -0.79M -fonts-thai-ttf 0.4.4-1olpc1.2 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.lapt

Re: my XO has difficulty with f9

2008-07-01 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
>> I may have caused that by (at that first >> boot) making some sort of change that worked with f7 but not with f9 > > That seems likely, but the olpc-update system should ensure that > you've got a clean system (no extra RPMs) when you revert. I would > hope that even if X doesn't start (especi

Re: Touchpad issues on joyride

2008-07-01 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 01 2008, at 11:58, Daniel Drake was caught saying: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 16:24 -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For those of you running into crazy pointer behavior on > > the latest Joyride builds (2080+ with latest kernel), > > can you please try the following in the termin

GLX on XO questions

2008-07-01 Thread Robert Myers
I'm trying to get Panda3D running on an XO, as a feasibility study, more than for any specific goal. I've successfully loaded Panda3D and Mesa-OpenGL. When I try to run a sample program, Panda3D complains about not finding GLX. Last month there was a discussion here about OpenGL and GLX, but t

Re: Recent Updates to Sugar Almanac

2008-07-01 Thread Faisal Anwar
Hi Tomeu, No problem about the late reply ... I am documenting improvements as I document the current state of the system. So I'll try to suggest some more coherent api as well. Let's keep in touch about this. Faisal On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi F

Re: Touchpad issues on joyride

2008-07-01 Thread Daniel Drake
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 16:24 -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > Hi, > > For those of you running into crazy pointer behavior on > the latest Joyride builds (2080+ with latest kernel), > can you please try the following in the terminal/console > and report back on if this helps at all after some exten

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=security;a=blob;f=rainbow.txt;hb=HEAD#l101 > > in my opinion, the cheapest way to implement P_SF_CORE + P_SF_RUN is by > turning the root password into a developer key, then by applying a CoW >

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:05:46AM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > 3. Why do we care whether there's a devkey? We would actually be better > > off checking that all the RPMs we're installing are owned by uid 0, > > this being the exact privilege that we're attempting to safeguard. > > becau

Re: my XO has difficulty with f9

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> thereafter every attempt at booting would "stop" somewher

Re: my XO has difficulty with f9

2008-07-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> thereafter every attempt at booting would "stop" somewhere. [If I >> used the 'check' key to get out of "pretty boot", the booting >> process

Re: my XO has difficulty with f9

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scott, thank you for your response. By saying "after anacron, X is supposed > to start", you've clarified things for me. My current thinking is that X > was not starting for me, and that I may have caused that by (at tha

Re: olpc-dm, olpc-utils, olpc-session, rainbow etc

2008-07-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Michael, On Tuesday 24 June 2008 02:17, Michael Stone wrote: > > Where is olpc-session kept? (Of course I can copy it from my XO, but... > > :) > On-XO, > rpm -qif `which olpc-session` thanks for that rpm command! I've added it to my rpm-tips+tricks notes :) > > Is this the latest olpc-util

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-01 Thread Morgan Collett
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 16:29, Dafydd Harries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ar 29/06/2008 am 11:20, ysgrifennodd Tomeu Vizoso: >> Michael Stone wrote: >> >> 3) Stable collaboration :) I know this is a hard one. >> > >> > We just put Cerebro into joyride. We think that some activities, such as >> > R

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-01 Thread Morgan Collett
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:26, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryan Berry wrote: >> >>> 3) Stable collaboration :) I know this is a hard one. >> >>> We just put Cerebro into joyride. We think that some activities, such as >>> Read, will be easy to modify to use it. You might try it and s

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-07-01 Thread Morgan Collett
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:20, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 3) Stable collaboration :) I know this is a hard one. >> >> We just put Cerebro into joyride. We think that some activities, such as >> Read, will be easy to modify to use it. You might try it and see. Which >> activities d

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > bert wrote: > > Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > the only suspicious USB-related thing that i noticed was the 1.6 > seconds in the firmware, apparently to discover the wireless. in > the normal boot case i wouldn't t

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what I would really like to see is for OLPC to not just release the > snapshots, but to have a way for developers to get the rest of the build > environment, complete with either the scripts, or command logs of what is > done to go from

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread pgf
bert wrote: > Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > hello -- > > > > yesterday, as much for an exercise in using the serial port, > > manipulating the kernel commandline, and doing a little > > exploring, i resurrected an old tool of mine which timestamps > > lines rece

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On the software-side, sshd takes close to 3 secs to start, would make > sense to disable in user builds - without a password it is not useful > anyway. I think one near

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 04:58:33PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> + yum -yt --nogpgcheck install $pkgs > > 1. As an earlier commenter hinted, you want localinstall because > otherwise yum may try

Re: my XO has difficulty with f9

2008-07-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thereafter every attempt at booting would "stop" somewhere. [If I > used the 'check' key to get out of "pretty boot", the booting > process would always stop after the console message "Starting > anacron:". If I used ma

Re: Can't upload a .po file to Pootle

2008-07-01 Thread Bastien
"Sayamindu Dasgupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Another thing that may have caused the problem - > http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/etoys.po has a formatting error at line > 2683. Fixed: http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/etoys.po You can upload and overwrite the current etoys.po file. Thanks very m

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > hello -- > > yesterday, as much for an exercise in using the serial port, > manipulating the kernel commandline, and doing a little > exploring, i resurrected an old tool of mine which timestamps > lines received over a serial port (or a socket),

Re: Questions, OLPC-Caldas

2008-07-01 Thread Morgan Collett
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 01:14, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/30 Carlos Dario Isaza Zamudio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2) What's the password when i try to access the XO through SSH? > > you need to set the root password before you can do this. if you're > in the Terminal activity: >

Re: Updates This Week to the Sugar Almanac - Using the Datastore and More

2008-07-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Faisal Anwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tomeu, > > Thanks so much for the clarifications. I understand now the abstraction > intended for metadata accessed through DSMetadata and DSObject and will try > to write that up a little more forcefully. I guess the mai

Re: Recent Updates to Sugar Almanac

2008-07-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Faisal, sorry to get to this so late, are there any outstanding doubts? The DS is right now a big mess due to long-standing bugs and basic features still unimplemented. I hope that during the next release significant resources will be allocated to this, if in the meantime you could suggest bet

Re: [SURVEY] builders, how do you build? what do you build?

2008-07-01 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le vendredi 27 juin 2008 à 17:23 -0400, Erik Garrison a écrit : > Developers, specifically those running build systems, > > Many of us are confused about the software flows inherent in the daily > build processes which are occuring at OLPC. I would like to conduct a > simple survey of all people