Deniz Kural wrote:
> This whole "why would you need a USB in mongolia?" conversation shows how
> out of touch some people on this list are with the people the project is
> trying to reach.
>
> People live miles and miles away from one another (in Mongolia), and it is
> entirely normal to travel t
I attended and Embedded Linux Conference [1] last week at which I
saw a great talk on "Managing NAND Over A Product Lifecycle" [2].
The speaker presented the case of determining whether a choosen
NAND HW and SW combination will survive the estimated lifecycle
of a product. As an example, he use
Edward Cherlin writes:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Carlos Nazareno
> wrote:
3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to
use over a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find
things that they did unless it was done within the last 30 minutes.
>>>
>>
I've just confirmed activity switching performance is improved by using
xcompmgr.
Environment: XO C2 with build 763 (on a random laptop), with Firefox
activity, Terminal activity and Journal activity all active, with
Firefox displaying a reasonably complex web page, with a copy of
/usr/bin/xcompmg
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:13:27AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Am 09.10.2008 um 19:10 schrieb elana langer:
>
> > Essentially, in the minds of [teachers, parents, gov't officials],
> > fluency on windows, being able to do power point presentations and
> > surf the web is what being prepared m
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:36:10PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks.
Relax. As to my "ad-hominem attacks", how is it ad-hominem to say
that someone who says something incorrect is out of touch (with the
truth/progress/etc.)? Or sa
Am 09.10.2008 um 19:10 schrieb elana langer:
> there is a very common feeling amongst policy makers and teacher that
> the XO doesn't really prepare students for the field of IT. There was
> a pilot project done in Mongolia that was run by the Japanese gov't
> where they introduced Linux to 4 town
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks.
> You each owe the other an apology. And one to Marco, too.
Thank you Edward, but no need for an apology. It's the funniest thing
I heard in the last we
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:10:57PM -0400, Deniz Kural wrote:
> [this list is out of touch]
> Hence, student, or teacher, I need a USB stick.
1. Plug USB stick into XO running build from the last six months
2. Drag files from the Journal to the USB stick icon
3. Drag files from the USB stick's file
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Deniz Kural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> p.p.s Marco, you're a stuck-up asshole :)
Nice to meet you, Deniz. Do you care to elaborate?
Marco
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Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks.
You each owe the other an apology. And one to Marco, too.
The list is not out of touch. There are many on the list who are
ignorant of conditions on the ground and of other things through no
fault of their own.
Now shake hands a
This whole "why would you need a USB in mongolia?" conversation shows how
out of touch some people on this list are with the people the project is
trying to reach.
People live miles and miles away from one another (in Mongolia), and it is
entirely normal to travel to your friends yurt or yer or h
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Carlos Nazareno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tomeu. Some personal feedback:
>
>> 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
>> a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they
>> did unless it was done within the l
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 01:35:40PM -0700, Carol Hussein Lerche wrote:
>In response to Scott's mail, if you look at the roadmaps linked to there is
>nothing approaching a feature oriented roadmap there, though a lot of good
>input is gathered in the mails captured at the end of his w.l.o/9.1 link,
>
On 9 Oct 2008, at 23:17, Carlos Nazareno wrote:
> Maybe we can build generic activity game engines that can be localized
> to different regions by just swapping the question-answer "database"
> portion? For starters, how about stuff like word games. Like maybe
> hangman? All you need for that is a
On 9 Oct 2008, at 19:57, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
> Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia:
>> basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write,
>> record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it -
>> especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is
>
> P.S. - On the same note, please recall that those of us who choose to
> accept and to pursue the historical goals of Sugar have our reasons [1]
> for doubting the viability of existing techniques.
>
> [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/education/04laptop.html
Yeah, read that article ages ago
Michael said:
Consequently, I would find your
remarks more helpful if you simply asked those 'true believers' to
better and more publicly justify their feasibility claims. (For example,
maybe Scott could be induced to make a screencast of his Journal2 demo?)
That's why I suggested a roadmap with s
Hey Elana,
One thing which you can do to improve activity switching performance is
to run xcompmgr (X composite manager). This prevents the activities
from burning CPU time redrawing themselves every time they are switched
to by persistently caching the video memory used by each window. The
resu
2008/10/9 Carol Hussein Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> coming for the journal, but without a concrete roadmap making that belief
> real to those only experiencing the difficulty in dealing with what is there
> right now, they sometimes sound a bit delusional. (Not saying that they
> are...it's just
Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia:
> basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write,
> record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it -
> especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is
> desperate to save their projects on USB keys.
My per
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:09:22PM -0700, Carol Hussein Lerche wrote:
>One thing that might help is a wiki FAQ about the journal collecting a
>roadmap and pointers to the work that has taken place already in one place.
Yours is an excellent suggestion which we should strive to implement for
all of
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (I don't think this says negative things about OLPC at all; children
> don't resist learning in this way.)
Yet those Largo workers did somehow avoid learning about files and
folders when *they* were young, despite almost certa
Hi,
> Please see section 2.1 of this paper for a nice review (with
> citations) of the factors affecting older users. Most applicable
> to this situation are lack of prior experience, reduction of
> working memory capacity, decline in psychomotor and sensory
> functioning with age,
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are we sure that we can generalize these observations to younger users?
[...]
> I am seeking an equivalent review of the user interface issues affecting
> young users. Can anyone find one?
Our feedback from younger users
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:46:56PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is just a brief note summarizing our experience at the
> >
> > http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest
> >
> > In short:
> >
> > * Scott gave
I think a lot of the frustration around the journal could be abated by
publishing a roadmap with actual projected times when each feature is
planned to be available for testing in a joyride and then projected release
number. Many of the experiments and research-type proposals have sounded
excellen
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote:
>You acknowledge that the system is not functioning as well as it should
>be in its curren state. Please stop saying "we are going to do this"
Instead, please stop saying "we are going to do this" and just do it and
be done with it!
It currently looks like the week of November 17 - 21 is our target for
our planning meeting, so as to avoid travel during the (following) US
Thanksgiving holiday week. I concur with Scott's suggestion of having
a sugarlabs contact connect with SJ to move things forward.
- Ed
On Oct
in addition to boot and activity load time the time it takes to switch
between applications is also a little frustrating - especially for
kids who have worked on faster computers.
I am in Mongolia for the next few weeks. There are several schools in
the city that have computers so if you want any
basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write,
record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it -
especially if it is more than a few days old. This is why everyone is
desperate to save their projects on USB keys. Also it seems that
everything doesn't always go t
Hey Tomeu-
By "file" I mean the product of their work - in write a document, in
record a picture, in etoys a project etc. They want to save what they
do in a "traditional" way. Now when I mean 'they' I am referring
mostly to teachers or teacher trainers. But i think we need to face
the reality tha
Again, I'm not going to get any work done if I comment in detail on
every journal-related post, but I encourage you to watch my talk next
Wednesday when it's posted. I'll try to put up slides and a blog
post, too. The journal doesn't have any fundamental problems that
can't be fixed, and "files an
there is a very common feeling amongst policy makers and teacher that
the XO doesn't really prepare students for the field of IT. There was
a pilot project done in Mongolia that was run by the Japanese gov't
where they introduced Linux to 4 towns. The students went on to study
at the Mongolian IT c
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Philippe Clérié <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I notice there's considerable cross posting occuring to the sugar and
> devel lists. Perhaps they should be merged?
There's a subset relationship: often sugar stuff is relevant to
general developers, but there's also (sa
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:13:02PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Carlos Nazareno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Tomeu. Some personal feedback:
> >
> >> 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
> >> a longer period of time. Kids and te
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is just a brief note summarizing our experience at the
>
> http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest
>
> In short:
>
> * Scott gave a long talk on his
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Experiments_with_unordered_paths
OLPC needs to work out its priorities and goals for 9.1. Sugarlabs
needs to do the same for 0.84. We should do it together!
I suggest that sugarlabs organize an 0.84 planning meeting, to be held
at the same time/place as OLPC's 9.1 planning meeting in November. My
understanding is that SJ is pl
Hey OLPC devel!
I was wondering if you guys could help me get gstreamer-plugins-ugly installed.
Can you guys walk me through this? (disclaimer - linux noob. just
started tinkering w/ ubuntu this year)
This is with regards to getting Gnash running with sound on the XO, build 767.
To get sound (m
At the moment, I am enabling password authentication for SSH. However,
root login via SSH will not be possible. So this test would require the
installer to log in as admin, for example. He would then su to root with
the root password set by the install script, as needed.
As far as I know, we d
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Carlos Nazareno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tomeu. Some personal feedback:
>
>> 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
>> a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they
>> did unless it was done within the
I notice there's considerable cross posting occuring to the sugar and
devel lists. Perhaps they should be merged?
Philippe
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We have run multiple instances of j2ee servers on a single machine, but
these are jvm-based. I wonder if a vm will be too much overhead, especially
since the ones I have worked with require a fixed amount of ram to be
dedicated. Would each ejabberd listen on a different port and how would
cli
I'm not sure what the plans are for XS deployment, whether large or small
scale. I've been working (often struggling) with refreshing images in our
classrooms using Symantec Ghost, which is now working fairly well. This is
probably not the right solution unless Symantec wants to kick in some f
I couldn't ssh in until I did this step (with my credentials). Do you plan
to run this in an install script? (I assume other prompted info such as
root password and various config params are supplied automatically.)
a.. Create an account for yourself (this is a test of basic network
connecti
Hi Tomeu. Some personal feedback:
> 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
> a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they
> did unless it was done within the last 30 minutes.
>Could you please elaborate on the difficulties that people have
This is just a brief note summarizing our experience at the
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest
In short:
* Scott gave a long talk on his
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Experiments_with_unordered_paths
and on his crazy journal ideas.
* Michael gave a short talk on
http://wiki
Hi Elana,
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM, elana langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> d) Although I think building a tagging tool around kids natural ways
> of thinking is really exciting, most teachers/schools/gov'ts are
> really concerned that this OS isn't preparing kids for the digital age
> p
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 3) Basically - The journal is really hard for people/ kids to use over
> a longer period of time. Kids and teachers can't find things that they
> did unless it was done within the last 30 minutes.
Could you please ela
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 2) Can't save files - this should probably be the first item on my
> list. It drives teachers and students crazy. They make something in an
> application, take some pictures or write something and then have to go
> thr
Hi Elana,
you have brought a very needed point of view to this list. Let me try
to start the process of translating your experience to actionable
items.
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, elana langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1) Computers are slow - So I was in a Ger in the west part of Mongol
Hello all
A new game by the name of DEDUCTO has been developed for OLPC - XO.
The link for downloading the game is :
http://code.google.com/p/deducto/downloads/list
Kindly report the bugs(if faced any) and your reviews about the game. Any
help is highly appreciated.
Regards
Deducto Team
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