Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 114

2010-03-23 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 114 To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: Fedora OLPC fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org, Devel devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 114

2010-03-23 Thread Paul Fox
yioryos wrote: Not how you get to console (...) How do you switch to sugar from console? (I'm stack in Gnome). What is the command? /home/olpc/Desktop/olpc-switch-to-sugar.desktop runs /usr/bin/olpc-switch-to-sugar which is a Python script that creates a file

To Gnome or not to Gnome

2010-03-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 23:13 -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: OK. The Sugar desktop was unaffected by all these. So if you manage to switch you are safe. However, is still a breaker for me, given that is generated by a gnome panel option. Children discovered some very creative ways to

Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hi guys. I know most people here prefer free as in Libre as opposed to free as in beer, but what do you think of coordinating with Adobe to get Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO? Adobe already supports a lot of open-source initiatives and have already open-sourced the Flex SDK which you can use to

Re: To Gnome or not to Gnome

2010-03-23 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 07:28:05 pm Bernie Innocenti wrote: All we need is a fast way to recover from disasters. A panic button which would reset all settings. It could be implemented in olpc-configure with 3 lines of code. In the absence of a recovery option, technicians resort to flashing

Re: To Gnome or not to Gnome

2010-03-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 20:31 +0530, K. K. Subramaniam wrote: On Tuesday 23 March 2010 07:28:05 pm Bernie Innocenti wrote: All we need is a fast way to recover from disasters. A panic button which would reset all settings. It could be implemented in olpc-configure with 3 lines of code. In the

RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Paul Fox
recent releases of XO-1.5 (and also of F11-on-XO1, if we can ever get suspend/resume working properly again) have a new default behavior with regard to idle suspend. i'm soliciting opinions on how to fine-tune this new behavior. before: in the past on XO-1, the screen would dim, and after a

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, further, if you choose 'a': are you comfortable having two I think this is if you choose 'b'. laptop states: - dark screen wakeable from keyboard - dark screen _not_ wakeable from keyboard that are visually indistinguishable? is it worth adding yet another LED blink

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Hal Murray
We could also consider just having the touchpad be available for wake-from-idle-sleep, and not the keyboard, since that way you wouldn't have any side effects from the wakeup key. But I think having the side effects isn't a big deal, so I'd go with your proposed (b). I've gotten into the

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 114

2010-03-23 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 08:07:41AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: yioryos wrote: OK. The Sugar desktop was unaffected by all these. So if you manage to switch you are safe. However, is still a breaker for me, given that is generated by a gnome panel option. hi yioryos -- perhaps you

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: I know most people here prefer free as in Libre as opposed to free as in beer, but what do you think of coordinating with Adobe to get Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO? Flash 10 AFAIK is available as an rpm, so a local

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread James Cameron
b. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
What do you guys think? That you've applied for a job at Adobe, or will do it soon ;-) No, I'm a flash game developer and there are *A LOT* of flash game developers out there, and it's now the easiest platform to develop games for. I'm 100% sure that a number of Flash game developers

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, What do you guys think? For what it's worth, I wrote up my personal opinion about this on the sugar-devel@ list last year: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-January/003516.html (This isn't an official OLPC policy; I didn't talk with anyone at OLPC before writing it.) -

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.03.2010, at 00:36, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, What do you guys think? For what it's worth, I wrote up my personal opinion about this on the sugar-devel@ list last year: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-January/003516.html (This isn't an official OLPC policy; I didn't

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
I don't get it. 1) Flash is no more evil as Java was years ago when it was closed source and it was being taught at universities. There is now an open-source SDK (Flex SDK (there's 2 versions, the closed source and the open source one)) with which you can produce AVM2 SWFs, and you can give away

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
crap. hit the send key before proof-reading. Edits: - There are thousands of Java developers in the world today, and for all intents and purposes, AS3 has more or less the same syntax as Java so you now have an additonal large pool of developers who can create content. Also, an aside, JRE is a

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.03.2010, at 01:42, Carlos Nazareno wrote: I don't get it. [...] Why is allowing additional tools a new pool of content creators bad for OLPC? We're not preventing anything. You're free to package the Adobe player and anything else needed to run your game into a Sugar activity. In

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 49, Issue 43

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
The real problem with Flash isn't even the non-free player. It's the non-free authoring tool chain every content creator is locked into, plus that even with the tools the resulting flash file is not fully editable. The result is an impenetrable magic gimmick, it's not supposed to be examined,

Re: my trimming of reply texts

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hi guys. I apologize for forgetting to trim the quoted text from my replies. Google's quick reply function is evil and quotes the entire previous messages (which is very bad in my case since I set devel to digest mode). Sorry. I won't do it again. :-/

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, (Don't have time to reply to everything you said, sorry.) I think this is a case of open source fundamentalism trumping educational goals. No. My IAEP post listed only educational goals; there was nothing about open source being a virtue for its own sake. You can disagree with how

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote: There is now an open-source SDK (Flex SDK (there's 2 versions, the You don't say open source in the OSI sense right? Martin's previous arguments about the quality of educational content is not a problem with a

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Maybe the reason we're miscommunicating is that you don't understand that we aren't willing to expect that our users have access to another computer running Windows (because they don't), or for them to use a text editor to edit content that was created in a GUI (since that's *much* harder,

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:10:06AM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote: What's wrong with other people who have content creation tools providing free content for the people who'll only have access to XOs? I don't see anyone disallowing that, and I'm sure our users would love that, so please ... make

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Paul Fox
isaac wrote: On 03/23/10 15:16, Paul Fox wrote: are you comfortable having two laptop states: - dark screen wakeable from keyboard - dark screen _not_ wakeable from keyboard that are visually indistinguishable? by the way, if you have entered dark

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Paul Fox wrote: now: in the new scheme, the idle sequence has changed: after a fairly brief period of inactivity, the system will suspend, leaving the screen on. (the user may not even know this has happened.) assuming there is still no keyboard activity, a little

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 03/23/10 15:16, Paul Fox wrote: are you comfortable having two laptop states: - dark screen wakeable from keyboard - dark screen _not_ wakeable from keyboard that are visually indistinguishable? by the way, if you have entered dark screen wakeable from keyboard

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Why will the screen blank? Why not just deactivate the backlight? Is the DCON's power draw sufficiently high that blanking the screen represents real savings? Yes, it's 100mw, AFAIK. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Okay, here's the thing: AFAIK, the Adobe peeps don't have access to XO machines, that's why before when I was reporting to Mike Melanson (http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ Linux Flash guy at Adobe) the camera bug with Flash on the XO-1, he couldn't help much. I'm relatively sure the Adobe

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
In reaction to all the posts, I installed AIR on my XO-1.5. - The AIR install took multiple steps, and used mainstream procedures rather than OLPC procedures - Install of an AIR application -- ditto. [The AIR application would not install under user olpc - only under user root.] -

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben K. Caron
This is an odd argument considering it is quite difficult for a user to create a simple reflash USB stick while using Sugar. Instead we recommend using another computer that uses a regular Desktop.(1) (1)http://wiki.laptop.org/go/No-fail_update On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:46 PM,

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Carlos, +1 Thank you for bringing this up. FYI: One of our largest deployments and two other smaller deployments have received approval to ship Adobe Flash in their builds. IMHO, OLPC would be able to provide deployments with the option of including Adobe Flash, while continuing to

Re: Adobe Flash 10.1 + AIR 2.0 on the XO

2010-03-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Maybe the reason we're miscommunicating is that you don't understand that we aren't willing to expect that our users have access to another computer running Windows (because they don't) [..] This is an odd argument considering it is quite difficult for a user to

Re: RFC: change to XO sleep behavior

2010-03-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
what do you think? 'a' or 'b'? As long as the possibility exists to manually edit a configuration file, I myself will change the sleep behavior to be like 'before'. I do not care whether it takes a keystroke, or pushing the CPU button, to wake from 'sleeping' -- I'll learn through experience.