Sridhar -
There are a few things happening at once here, and we should distinguish
between the general case (what's been enabled in the design) and one particular
instance of that case (machines for Spanish-speaking high-school students).
From an engineering perspective, we have:
1.
On 29 April 2010 07:19, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
Australian teachers that I've met have pointed out that their kids are
primarily taught lowercase letters, and would prefer a keyboard to be
marked with lowercase letters rather than uppercase letters.
I'm coming late to the party
Has there been any update with development and availability in the two
months since this announcement?
Yes. I travel to China the 27th to oversee the test build.. Those
machines will all get shipped to OLPC. The volume production for
Uruguay will start in July.
If you are interested in
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:19 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
Australian teachers that I've met have pointed out that their kids are
primarily taught lowercase letters, and would prefer a keyboard to be
marked with lowercase letters rather than uppercase letters.
Not having looked at
On 23 June 2010 00:56, Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote:
Has there been any update with development and availability in the two
months since this announcement?
Yes. I travel to China the 27th to oversee the test build.. Those
machines will all get shipped to OLPC. The volume
We are in the midst of changing the bottom half of the XO-1/XO-1.5
laptop to greatly improve the repairability of the keyboard. The new
keyboards will be removable after first unscrewing a screw underneath
each battery latch. At the same time, a non-membrane keyboard
will be available for use
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:
We are in the midst of changing the bottom half of the XO-1/XO-1.5
laptop to greatly improve the repairability of the keyboard. The new
keyboards will be removable after first unscrewing a screw underneath
each battery
On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:48 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:
We are in the midst of changing the bottom half of the XO-1/XO-1.5
laptop to greatly improve the repairability of the keyboard. The new
keyboards will be
The following are the keyboard layouts and legends for these
new keyboards. Much thanks to Walter Bender for developing
these given a bad set of constraints.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_English_Non-membrane_Keyboard
There may be users who wish to plug in an external keyboard. Such
I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new layout?
Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn pressed?
Tiago
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
The following are the keyboard layouts and legends for these
new
tiago wrote:
I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new layout?
Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn pressed?
the labels on the function keys are just alternate meanings, not
alternate scancodes. i.e., the key labeled 'network
neighborhood' on an
I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow keys
placement. That is a very awkward placement. Is that definitive or can you
do something like shorten the shift key to accommodate the UP arrow?
I suppose that would be another hard sell for deployments against netbooks
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow keys
placement. That is a very awkward placement. Is that definitive or can you
do something like shorten the shift key to accommodate the UP arrow?
I
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:
tiago wrote:
I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new
layout?
Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn pressed?
the labels on the function keys are just alternate meanings, not
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:
tiago wrote:
I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new
layout?
Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Walter Bender wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow keys
placement.
We debated this one. A shorter shift key would be difficult to type
on. We opted to
tiago wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:
tiago wrote:
I must ask, what's the default behavior of function keys in the new
layout?
Fn changes them to F keys, or are they F keys without Fn pressed?
the labels on the function keys are
As per Tiago's suggestion, I made a version (so far only for the .es
keyboard) with smaller f labels: See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:OLPC-1.5-es-non-membrane.svg
As per the arrow-key arrangement, I am on the fence. I would defer to
the deployments.
-walter
--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
maybe i'm misunderstanding you, but i think i didn't do a good
job up above. the 4 keys used by sugar for network, friends,
home, and activity _are_ F1 through F4. those keys have never
been special, and they're not special on the new keyboard. all
that's changed on the new keyboard is
Looks great, especially as the dot buttons are now more readable, while
the F keys can still be quickly identified anyway.
Best regards,
Tiago
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:
As per Tiago's suggestion, I made a version (so far only for the .es
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Walter Bender wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com
wrote:
I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow
keys
placement.
benjamin m. schwartz wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Walter Bender wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tiago Marques tiago...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just looking at the layout again and just noticed the new arrow keys
placement.
We debated this one. A shorter shift key would
As per Tiago's suggestion, I made a version (so far only for the .es
keyboard) with smaller f labels: See
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:OLPC-1.5-es-non-membrane.svg
+1
mikus
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tiago wrote:
maybe i'm misunderstanding you, but i think i didn't do a good
job up above. the 4 keys used by sugar for network, friends,
home, and activity _are_ F1 through F4. those keys have never
been special, and they're not special on the new keyboard. all
that's
Folks -
We should keep in mind that these keyboards were primarily intended for a
particular audience (as pgf has mentioned) and that they're also designed to be
usable by Sugar, GNOME, and Windows users (something that was not a design goal
previously). There's no guarantee that there will
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Paul Fox wrote:
part of the impetus for this keyboard is that it be more normal, for
use by older students, perhaps in non-sugar environments.
Sure. I'm actually arguing that Ins and Del are no longer normal, and
mainstream computers far more popular than the XO often
Could you just put UP to the place of ?, put ? to the place of RIGHT,
and put RIGHT to the place of UP?
I am not THAT old to understand what is so cool about that hjkl vi
arrangement and I guess no children will either.
I feel that moving just one more key from its 101 key standard position
noiseehc wrote:
Could you just put UP to the place of ?, put ? to the place of RIGHT,
and put RIGHT to the place of UP?
I am not THAT old to understand what is so cool about that hjkl vi
arrangement and I guess no children will either.
I feel that moving just one more key from its 101
Australian teachers that I've met have pointed out that their kids are
primarily taught lowercase letters, and would prefer a keyboard to be
marked with lowercase letters rather than uppercase letters.
Not having looked at the key legends for about 28 years, I was
surprised. ;-) What a
But how can it be that not misplacing the ? key (pressed rarery) is more
important than misplacing the UP key? I mean that not only it is
incompatible with normal keyboards (even laptop keyboards) but with
human thinking as well? (Before you ask, I have a LOT of experience with
the C-64
On 04/28/2010 01:43 PM, Paul Fox wrote:
1. fn is a bad key because software can't reuse it. For example, on
the XO-1 we tried to make fn+F1 send an F1 press to the activity
(instead of going to the mesh view), but it was not possible because
the fn key is treated specially by
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