Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Jorgen Lundman
> Respectfully, you’re changing the subject. We’re talking about quota, not > billing. > Logicalreferenced is already available for billing. > — richard > Ah that could be. I thought we were talking about quotas set before compression, but I did join the thread in the middle. Billing doesn't i

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 02:51:14PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: > Respectfully, you’re changing the subject. We’re talking about quota, > not billing. Logicalreferenced is already available for billing. It's not really changing the subject. If you're a storage provider using zfs and you want to

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Richard Elling
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Jorgen Lundman wrote: > > Richard Elling wrote: > >> >> No, this is a lie. If I upload 50GB of data that compresses or dedups to >> 25GB, then I want to pay for 25GB. >> — richard > > Huh neat. So how far does it stretch though? If I have compression off, you

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Richard Elling wrote: No, this is a lie. If I upload 50GB of data that compresses or dedups to 25GB, then I want to pay for 25GB. — richard Huh neat. So how far does it stretch though? If I have compression off, you are happy. What if I use lz4, but gzip-9 would save more, should you get

RE: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
> From: Richard Elling > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 1:33 PM > > No, this is a lie. If I upload 50GB of data that compresses or dedups to 25GB, > then I want to pay for 25GB. That is an interesting perspective. So let's say you upload 1TB of data. It dedups to 100GB, and for a year you pay f

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Richard Elling
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > >> From: Richard Elling >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 9:44 AM >> >> As a customer, I don’t like getting ripped off. I think you need to find a >> better >> justification. > > That seems a bit harsh :). If you pay for "50GB of data sto

RE: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
> From: Richard Elling > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 9:44 AM > > As a customer, I don’t like getting ripped off. I think you need to find a > better > justification. That seems a bit harsh :). If you pay for "50GB of data storage" and you upload 50GB of data, how are you getting ripped off?

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Matthew Ahrens
I see the use case for these "logical" quotas (variants on userquota@, quota, refquota). FYI, I added the "logicalused" and "logicalreferenced" properties a few years back, and these can be used to implement application-level checks/quotas. If we implement a "logicalquota" and "logicalrefquota",

Re: [developer] ZFS user quotas with compression

2016-11-07 Thread Richard Elling
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Ben RUBSON wrote: > > >> On 05 Nov 2016, at 01:11, Jorgen Lundman wrote: >> >> The space saved from compression should be to our advantage, not that of the >> customers > > Totally agree :) As a customer, I don’t like getting ripped off. I think you need to fi

[developer] proposal for update rootpool_003_neg.ksh

2016-11-07 Thread Igor Kozhukhov
Hello All, i have found and filed a bug: https://www.illumos.org/issues/7538 i’d like propose modify zfs test rootpool/rootpool_003_neg.ksh to do something like: create test dataset on rootpool like: rpool/zfstest$$ - or on smartos based env: zones/zfstest$$ - with mountpont to /tmp/zfstest$$