Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-20 Thread Andreas Hartmetz
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 07:26:55 gunnar.sle...@nokia.com wrote: On Jul 17, 2012, at 9:17 PM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: 2012/7/17 marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-19 Thread Donald Carr
Not inside this tower ;) . But I wasn't talking about comparing to the proliferation of an unreleased version. All the QtQuick 1 I've seen so far is on the dead Symbian and Maemo platforms. Even if there were many of those applications, how many are in continued development for both the old

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-19 Thread martin.jones
On Behalf Of ext Donald Carr Not inside this tower ;) . But I wasn't talking about comparing to the proliferation of an unreleased version. All the QtQuick 1 I've seen so far is on the dead Symbian and Maemo platforms. Even if there were many of those applications, how many are in

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-18 Thread gunnar.sletta
On Jul 17, 2012, at 9:17 PM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: 2012/7/17 marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML 2 / SceneGraph; see pvr2d). 2D accelerators bundled with GPUs

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Sven Anderson
On 17.07.2012 07:47, Alan Alpert wrote: But our Qt4Support library exists and is called QtQuick1. All the old symbols should be there, if you want to take the easy road to saying done, ported to Qt 5!. Well, there is no other choice if you have a platform without hardware graphics

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/17 Sven Anderson sven.ander...@snom.com On 17.07.2012 07:47, Alan Alpert wrote: But our Qt4Support library exists and is called QtQuick1. All the old symbols should be there, if you want to take the easy road to saying done, ported to Qt 5!. Well, there is no other choice if you

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2012 15.00.04, marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: Btw, does this means you are trying/wanting to run Qt 5 on PowerVR chipsets from before 2001? All the PVR chips since Feb. 2001 (Series 4 or higher) support some form of OpenGL/GLES and/or DirectX 8.0 or higher

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/17 marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com (2D accelerators are often bundled with GPUs and perform 2D rendering ops faster than GPUs, but are unusable with QML 2 / SceneGraph; see pvr2d). 2D accelerators bundled with GPUs perform 2D rendering ops faster than GPUs? Uhmm... that sentence is

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Lincoln Ramsay
On 07/18/2012 05:17 AM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: My point is simply that Qt 5 is best served with a painting backend for QML 2 that can support non-OpenGL technologies. I don't want to start a flame war here but I always wondered why QtQuick 2 had to mean SceneGraph/OpenGL and why the

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-17 Thread Alan Alpert
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:28:02 ext Lincoln Ramsay wrote: On 07/18/2012 05:17 AM, ext Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: My point is simply that Qt 5 is best served with a painting backend for QML 2 that can support non-OpenGL technologies. I don't want to start a flame war here but I always

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Robin Burchell
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Alan Alpert alan.alp...@nokia.com wrote: The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single codebase for both QML1 and QML2. The point has been made before, but I'll repeat it: for libraries and other pieces of middleware, that isn't really an acceptable

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Alan Alpert
While I continue the discussion to my usual level of verbosity inline, I'm bringing the important point up top - read it last to understand the thought process that led me to this: Just brainstorming here, what if there was a QtQuick 1.2 in Qt 5 which provided this overlap? It would have the

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/16 Alan Alpert alan.alp...@nokia.com Just brainstorming here, what if there was a QtQuick 1.2 in Qt 5 which provided this overlap? It would have the old method marked as deprecated and the new form syntax available and would provide some form of interim overlap, without adding

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Olivier Goffart
On Monday 16 July 2012 13:50:42 Alan Alpert wrote: It's a major version change, what did you expect? It's a pain to maintain even a QWidget application for a single Qt 4 and Qt 5 code-base, all the assistance I'm aware of is for porting Qt4 - Qt5 in one go. No it is not. Maintaining the same

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 16 de julho de 2012 09.38.53, Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: In Qt 4 we added obsolete symbols for Qt 3, and this never caused any pain for anybody. Qt3Support was a well intended effort to either port classes that were dropped from Qt 3, or to wrap those around Qt 4 classes

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Andreas Aardal Hanssen
2012/7/16 Thiago Macieira thiago.macie...@intel.com On segunda-feira, 16 de julho de 2012 09.38.53, Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: In Qt 4 we added obsolete symbols for Qt 3, and this never caused any pain for anybody. Qt3Support was a well intended effort to either port classes

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread André Pönitz
I am afraid I am in Can't resist mode today... On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 01:50:42PM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: [...] QML has a different model for allowing normal feature development and maintenance to be interleaved with porting the GUI, perhaps it hasn't been explained well enough. It's not

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-16 Thread Alan Alpert
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:19:41 ext André Pönitz wrote: I am afraid I am in Can't resist mode today... I'm afraid that plight is communicable over email... On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 01:50:42PM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: [...] It's a major version change, what did you expect? It's a pain to

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Alan Alpert
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:30:13 ext Robin Burchell wrote: Hi, Again, looking at MeeGo's components in QtQuick2 world, I notice that some painful changes required for porting from QML1 to QML2 are in renaming methods, or rearranging things a bit. From the documentation: Property and Method

Re: [Development] Suggestion on QML portability

2012-07-15 Thread Alan Alpert
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:18:02 ext André Pönitz wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:02:33AM +1000, Alan Alpert wrote: The theory is that you're not trying to maintain a single codebase for both QML1 and QML2. [Maybe it's about time to run reality checks on certain theories anyway...] It's a