[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Tuomas Lukinmaa
Simon Porter wrote: > . Design and layout - something more welcoming and less dark > Looking forward to your feedback Using tables for layout suck, use CSS instead. Take for example http://www.wired.com/ , all XHTML and CSS compliant, so it is possible to use existing standards without hacks t

[freenet-dev] Freenet website - more comments

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
First of all, how do I change my mailing list subscription from daily digest to normal. It is driving me mad. As for active elements I am in agreement with the rest of you. When I said collapsible I just meant done in HTML, so the relevant section is expanded depending on what page you're on. Noth

[freenet-dev] The Sneakernet Issue

2002-12-15 Thread Todd Walton
Concerning the sneakernet issue: The routing seems to be a problem. How does the sneakernet method exert preference over which node it communicates with? That would have to be dealt with, or shown to be irrelevant. Also, there's a speed issue, for routing. Routing is based on human networks

[freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
In reply to the above comments. Ian's comments - Design - The banner does indeed take up a lot of space. The current design was slapped together in two seconds just to give a basic outline. The banner size definitely won't be staying that size. Same with the grey. It's just there because its the

[freenet-dev] The Sneakernet Issue

2002-12-15 Thread Todd Walton
Concerning the sneakernet issue: The routing seems to be a problem. How does the sneakernet method exert preference over which node it communicates with? That would have to be dealt with, or shown to be irrelevant. Also, there's a speed issue, for routing. Routing is based on human networks

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Todd Walton
Looking forward to your feedback I like the blue, that's pretty slick. But, the banner doesn't look right to me. I think the "The Freenet Project" text, and the bunny, should be on the top left corner. For one thing, this would take care the bunny's backward-ness. "Hops" the bunny can do

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Todd Walton
>Looking forward to your feedback I like the blue, that's pretty slick. But, the banner doesn't look right to me. I think the "The Freenet Project" text, and the bunny, should be on the top left corner. For one thing, this would take care the bunny's backward-ness. "Hops" the bunny can do

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Pete Soden
I agree with Tyler, but for a different reason, we are encouraging people onto a network where active content isn't possible due to security risks, surely we should make an effort to show how good a site can be without resorting to overused scripting tricks? And as people are commenting on how the

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
Hi everyone, Recently there has been the idea of redesigning the Freenet website raised in this mailing list by Alabaster. I have teamed up with him to give any help I can making a new redesigned website for the Freenet project. Alabaster has kindly set up a temporary space for the site to be work

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website - more comments

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
Login using the URL at the bottom of emails to the list. You can change it there. > http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- Ian Clarkeian@[freenetproject.org|locut.us|cematics.com] Latest Project http://cematics.com/kanzi

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 09:56:33PM -, Simon Porter wrote: > Although it is true that the list of people you mention is the kind of > people that visit the sit I don't think it makes sense to organise the > site around these users. That wasn't my intention. I am simply saying that in evaluatin

[freenet-dev] Freenet website - more comments

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
Login using the URL at the bottom of emails to the list. You can change it there. > http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- Ian Clarkeian@[freenetproject.org|locut.us|cematics.com] Latest Project http://cematics.com/kanzi

[freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread fish
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Ian Clarke wrote: > Wouldn't it be preferable to have a generic "GetNodeStatus" command which > contained more general information, including EstimatedLoad? Maybe, yes. But what other information needs to be returned? The only things I can think of on the top of my head a

[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread fish
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[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] java.lang.OutOfMemoryError

2002-12-15 Thread b...@cbfmail.com
Hi all, Following error when I start freenet, happened after using the snapshot today (though it could have just been the restart that caused it?). 15-Dec-2002 14:42:56 (freenet.support.io.Bandwidth, main): new Bandwidth(0,0,BOTH) 15-Dec-2002 14:42:56 (freenet.node.Main, main): loading node key

[freenet-dev] Freenet website - more comments

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
First of all, how do I change my mailing list subscription from daily digest to normal. It is driving me mad. As for active elements I am in agreement with the rest of you. When I said collapsible I just meant done in HTML, so the relevant section is expanded depending on what page you're on. Noth

[freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
In reply to the above comments. Ian's comments - Design - The banner does indeed take up a lot of space. The current design was slapped together in two seconds just to give a basic outline. The banner size definitely won't be staying that size. Same with the grey. It's just there because its the

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
I tend to agree, I would greatly prefer a simple elegant site which didn't try to use any whiz-bang features of the very latest browsers. Another important issue to be considered is how easy it will be for people to update the website. It is counter-productive for only one, or a small number o

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
I tend to agree, I would greatly prefer a simple elegant site which didn't try to use any whiz-bang features of the very latest browsers. Another important issue to be considered is how easy it will be for people to update the website. It is counter-productive for only one, or a small number o

RE: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Pete Soden
I agree with Tyler, but for a different reason, we are encouraging people onto a network where active content isn't possible due to security risks, surely we should make an effort to show how good a site can be without resorting to overused scripting tricks? And as people are commenting on how the

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Tyler Riddle
The only thing I can think of as a potential issue will be browser compatibility. From the mockup: This will be a collapsible menu with main headings such as: While having nifty features is fun PLEASE remember to make the site comptabile with non-mainstream browsers. In this case think about the

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas andhelp wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Tuomas Lukinmaa
Simon Porter wrote: . Design and layout - something more welcoming and less dark Looking forward to your feedback Using tables for layout suck, use CSS instead. Take for example http://www.wired.com/ , all XHTML and CSS compliant, so it is possible to use existing standards without hacks t

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Tyler Riddle
The only thing I can think of as a potential issue will be browser compatibility. From the mockup: This will be a collapsible menu with main headings such as: While having nifty features is fun PLEASE remember to make the site comptabile with non-mainstream browsers. In this case think about the

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 06:53:58PM -, Simon Porter wrote: > http://freenet.winterfellstudios.net/ Looking good so-far! A couple of initial comments: - The banner across the top takes up quite a lot of screen real-estate. Could it be made smaller? - I am not sure that the grey looks so

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 06:53:58PM -, Simon Porter wrote: > http://freenet.winterfellstudios.net/ Looking good so-far! A couple of initial comments: - The banner across the top takes up quite a lot of screen real-estate. Could it be made smaller? - I am not sure that the grey looks so

[freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website?

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
We used to have that feature, but it became more difficult to implement when we switched to TWiki. If you want to put in a page for it, and some code, I can wire something up at this end which does something with I receive emails from Paypal (they email me every time there is a donation with th

[freenet-dev] Re: Freenet website?

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Edgar Friendly
Ian Clarke writes: > My point is, all we need to do is a search-replace on this patch, and we > can *avoid* breaking backwards compatability in the future. Can you > think of a good reason *not* to do it? > > Ian. > Nope. Does anyone object if I go ahead and do that s///, and then check it i

[freenet-dev] Freenet website redesign - Feedback, ideas and help wanted

2002-12-15 Thread Simon Porter
Hi everyone, Recently there has been the idea of redesigning the Freenet website raised in this mailing list by Alabaster. I have teamed up with him to give any help I can making a new redesigned website for the Freenet project. Alabaster has kindly set up a temporary space for the site to be work

[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Edgar Friendly
Ian Clarke writes: > Wouldn't it be preferable to have a generic "GetNodeStatus" command which > contained more general information, including EstimatedLoad? > > Ian. > Probably, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start with a command that just gets the load. I guess you're arguing that this

Re: [freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Edgar Friendly
Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My point is, all we need to do is a search-replace on this patch, and we > can *avoid* breaking backwards compatability in the future. Can you > think of a good reason *not* to do it? > > Ian. > Nope. Does anyone object if I go ahead and do that s///,

Re: [freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 09:39:19AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote: > I guess you're arguing that this particular > naming scheme will have to be changed to fit the more generic > implementation, but we might as well test this simple command to see > the usefulness/repurcussions of it before going all

[freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Ian Clarke
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 09:39:19AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote: > I guess you're arguing that this particular > naming scheme will have to be changed to fit the more generic > implementation, but we might as well test this simple command to see > the usefulness/repurcussions of it before going all

Re: [freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Edgar Friendly
Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wouldn't it be preferable to have a generic "GetNodeStatus" command which > contained more general information, including EstimatedLoad? > > Ian. > Probably, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start with a command that just gets the load. I guess you'r

Re: [freenet-dev] node load status over FCP?

2002-12-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 05:32:26PM +1100, fish wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be preferable to have a generic "GetNodeStatus" command which > > contained more general information, including EstimatedLoad? > > Maybe, yes. But what other information needs to

[freenet-dev] java.lang.OutOfMemoryError

2002-12-15 Thread ben
Hi all, Following error when I start freenet, happened after using the snapshot today (though it could have just been the restart that caused it?). 15-Dec-2002 14:42:56 (freenet.support.io.Bandwidth, main): new Bandwidth(0,0,BOTH) 15-Dec-2002 14:42:56 (freenet.node.Main, main): loading node keys

[freenet-dev] CVS mailinglist

2002-12-15 Thread SiliconZealot
Who has control of the CVS mailinglist? SourceForge? Does anyone have access to edit the script that generates the automatic e-mails from CVS commits? I would like to have the development branch tag, i.e. [freenet-CVS][0.5.0] or [freenet-CVS][0.5.1], in the subject line of the email for easier r