[freenet-dev] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 4/19/06, Ian Clarke wrote: > I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google > Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: > >http://code.google.com/soc/ > > I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, > and can select "mentors" from within

[freenet-dev] Re: [Tech] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Ian Clarke [2006-04-19 10:46:03]: > I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google > Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: > > http://code.google.com/soc/ > > I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, > and can select "mentors"

[freenet-dev] Re: [Tech] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread Dave Baker
> I will apply to the SoC, my project is likely to be something about > Freemail (https://emu.freenetproject.org/svn/trunk/apps/Freemail/README). > Details will come with my final proposal. Ooh-err. I've actually started writing a Java Freemail type system for 0.7 over Easter weekend (which I hav

[freenet-dev] SSK/KSK Collision

2006-04-19 Thread Dave Baker
Hi, So I've just spent a while tracking down why KSKs and SSKs don't collide, even if you insert different data. The answer is that in MultiPutCompletionCallback, onFailure gets called, but doesn't complete the request because it's still waiting on some blocks. onSuccess then gets called and s

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer [2006-04-19 14:59:02]: > > > And what's the reason of the backoff ? :) isn't it a high network latency ? > > > > > try pinging a backed off peer. > > Good idea I did that... now look at the result: > Low Level PING, i.e. ICMP > > None means they dont respond to ICMP Packets.

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> And what's the reason of the backoff ? :) isn't it a high network latency ? > > try pinging a backed off peer. Good idea I did that... now look at the result: Low Level PING, i.e. ICMP None means they dont respond to ICMP Packets... I love those. CONNECTED120.371Fred,0.7,1.0,633 CONNE

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
I only agree in one point, that we don't agree... > Do you know what the default HTL is on .7 ? Insert? Minimum or average? > May I express my doubts? I'm not > convinced that we should think in terms of "bandwith"... There are two > different things : "bandwith" used in between nodes and overal

[freenet-dev] Re: [Tech] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-19 10:46:03]: > I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google > Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: > > http://code.google.com/soc/ > > I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, > and ca

Re: [freenet-dev] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 4/19/06, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google > Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: > >http://code.google.com/soc/ > > I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, > and can select "me

[freenet-dev] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread Ian Clarke
I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: http://code.google.com/soc/ I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, and can select "mentors" from within the project, and then students can su

[freenet-dev] Google Summer of Code

2006-04-19 Thread Ian Clarke
I have signed us up to be a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code, which you can read more about here: http://code.google.com/soc/ I'm still figuring this out, but it seems that we can submit ideas, and can select "mentors" from within the project, and then students can su

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer [2006-04-19 09:45:23]: This one is more interresting :)) > > > My DSL node is only a leaf - node so I can't tell you much there. However I > had > problems with "backed off" nodes which are in fact idle. But I know this is > already known.. > And what's the reason of the bac

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer [2006-04-19 09:31:55]: > 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > > > The testenviroment right now is quite perfect, > > > > According to freeviz it's far away from beeing perfect ! > > http://freeviz.freenetproject.org/ what are we tal

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread John Bäckstrand
Thomas Bruderer wrote: >> emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of >> course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous >> connections. > > Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? Not afaik. My node is always under-utilising its bandwidth limits

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> My DSL node is only a leaf - node so I can't tell you much there. However I had problems with "backed off" nodes which are in fact idle. But I know this is already known.. > Yes, inserts should be almost as fast as downloads on an idle testnet, > as long as end-to-end latency is not too huge to

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > > The testenviroment right now is quite perfect, > > According to freeviz it's far away from beeing perfect ! > http://freeviz.freenetproject.org/ what are we talking about ? the longest > route atm is hardly 12 nod

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-19 14:59:02]: > > > And what's the reason of the backoff ? :) isn't it a high network latency ? > > > > > try pinging a backed off peer. > > Good idea I did that... now look at the result: > Low Level PING, i.e. ICMP > > None means they dont respo

[freenet-dev] Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread John Bäckstrand
> yes you are right we might get in conflict with other downloads/inserts, but > if > we get a share of the bandwith for inserts on every node we should have the > same > throughput as downloads (but using more bandwith of the overall network but in > serial). (because every block is independend,

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer [2006-04-19 07:40:05]: > > emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of > > course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous > > connections. > > Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? I don't know > Or do we atleast agree that

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> And what's the reason of the backoff ? :) isn't it a high network latency ? > > try pinging a backed off peer. Good idea I did that... now look at the result: Low Level PING, i.e. ICMP None means they dont respond to ICMP Packets... I love those. CONNECTED120.371Fred,0.7,1.0,633 CONNE

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of > course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous > connections. Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? Or do we atleast agree that most testnet nodes idle? The testenviroment right now is quite perf

[freenet-dev] Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
I always suspect things which seem to others so obvious... There seems to be the missleading concept that inserts have to be slower than downloads. The argument is: it needs to go over more hops therefore it is slower. I have discussed this issue, and I think its obvious that this is not true...

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
I only agree in one point, that we don't agree... > Do you know what the default HTL is on .7 ? Insert? Minimum or average? > May I express my doubts? I'm not > convinced that we should think in terms of "bandwith"... There are two > different things : "bandwith" used in between nodes and overal

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-19 09:45:23]: This one is more interresting :)) > > > My DSL node is only a leaf - node so I can't tell you much there. However I > had > problems with "backed off" nodes which are in fact idle. But I know this is > already known.. > And what's th

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-19 09:31:55]: > 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > > > The testenviroment right now is quite perfect, > > > > According to freeviz it's far away from beeing perfect ! > > http://freeviz.freenetproject.o

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> My DSL node is only a leaf - node so I can't tell you much there. However I had problems with "backed off" nodes which are in fact idle. But I know this is already known.. > Yes, inserts should be almost as fast as downloads on an idle testnet, > as long as end-to-end latency is not too huge to

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 > > The testenviroment right now is quite perfect, > > According to freeviz it's far away from beeing perfect ! > http://freeviz.freenetproject.org/ what are we talking about ? the longest > route atm is hardly 12 nod

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread NextGen$
* Thomas Bruderer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-04-19 07:40:05]: > > emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of > > course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous > > connections. > > Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? I don't know > Or do we

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread John Bäckstrand
Thomas Bruderer wrote: emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous connections. Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? Not afaik. My node is always under-utilising its bandwidth limits, it seem

[freenet-dev] Re: Inserts can be as fast as downloads

2006-04-19 Thread Thomas Bruderer
> emphasis "using more bandwith of the overall network". The network is of > course starved for bandwidth most of the time, due to asynhronous > connections. Do we agree that most darknet nodes idle? Or do we atleast agree that most testnet nodes idle? The testenviroment right now is quite perf