Matthew Toseland skrev:
> I have deployed the new wininstaller, for Vista/win7 users and anyone who
> clicks on "Windows instructions". Win2K/XP users with working JWS will still
> see the old installer for now.
Cool! :)
- Zero3
2009/5/13 Matthew Toseland :
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 01:05:40 you wrote:
>> 2009/5/13 Matthew Toseland :
>> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 09:33:11 you wrote:
>> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:45:54 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> >> >>
er people so each person only has to rate a small subset of the
uploaded data. There are no other options.
And what the web of trust does is exactly the second option: it "load
balances" the content rating equally between all users.
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y of free software -
http://infinite-hands.draketo.de
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> I have deployed the new wininstaller, for Vista/win7 users and anyone who
>> clicks on "Windows instructions". Win2K/XP users with working JWS will still
>> see the old installer for now.
>
> Cool! :)
>
> - Zero3
>
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security & anonymity (as said in the roadmap).
If you have security issues with bloom filters *as currently envisaged*, that
is with the related caching changes, then please explain them on the relevant
threads (not this one).
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some rate) into caches along a valid request path.
First, it doesn't shortcut. Second, the bandwidth cost may be higher. Third,
the negative security impact is at least comparable.
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user doesn't visit his
node for a while, everyone will have blacklisted him because he didn't
blacklist the spammers he trusted.
>
> >> In the context of the routing and data store algorithms, Freenet has a
> >> strong prejudice against alchemy and in favor of algorithms with
> >> properties that are both useful and provable from reasonable
> >> assumptions, even though they are not provably perfect. ?Like routing,
> >> the generalized trust problem is non-trivial. ?Advogato has such
> >> properties; the current WoT and FMS algorithms do not: they are
> >> alchemical. ?In addition, the Advogato metric has a strong anecdotal
> >> success story in the form of the Advogato site (I've not been active
> >> on FMS/Freetalk recently enough to speak to them). ?Why is alchemy
> >> acceptable here, but not in routing?
> >
> > Because the provable metrics don't work for our scenario. At least they
don't
> > work given the current assumptions and formulations.
>
> Could you be more specific? This thread is covering several closely
> related but distinct subjects, so I'm not really sure exactly which
> assumptions you're referring to. Also, do you mean that they don't
> work in the sense that the proof is no longer applicable or
> mathematically valid, or in the sense that the results of the proof
> aren't useful?
The latter. Pure positive only works if every user can be trusted to
continually evaluate his peers' messages to all contexts, and their
relationships to other users, and can therefore be blocked if they propagate
messages of spammers.
>
> Evan Daniel
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Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 04:53:11 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ximin Luo wrote:
>>
>>> (one way of storing it which would allow token-deflate would be having each
>>> indexnode as a CHK, then you'd only have to INS an updated node and all its
>>>
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> I have deployed the new wininstaller, for Vista/win7 users and anyone who
>> clicks on "Windows instructions". Win2K/XP users with working JWS will still
>> see the old installer for now.
>
> Cool! :)
>
> - Zero3
>
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM, xor wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 10:01:31 Luke771 wrote:
>> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> > Luke771 schrieb:
>> >> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>> >> talking about.
>> >> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Luke771 wrote:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Luke771 schrieb:
>>
>>> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>>> talking about.
>>> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see an identity even
>>> if the censors mark it down it
Matthew Toseland skrev:
> I have deployed the new wininstaller, for Vista/win7 users and anyone who
> clicks on "Windows instructions". Win2K/XP users with working JWS will still
> see the old installer for now.
Cool! :)
- Zero3
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 15:47:24 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
>> >> wrot
return val;
> > > + }
> > > +
> > > +
> > ...
> > > Added: trunk/apps/simsalabim/DarknetRoute.java
> > > ===
> > > --- trunk/apps/simsalabim/DarknetRoute.java
algorithms, Freenet has a
> strong prejudice against alchemy and in favor of algorithms with
> properties that are both useful and provable from reasonable
> assumptions, even though they are not provably perfect. Like routing,
> the generalized trust problem is non-trivial. Advogato has such
> properties; the current WoT and FMS algorithms do not: they are
> alchemical. In addition, the Advogato metric has a strong anecdotal
> success story in the form of the Advogato site (I've not been active
> on FMS/Freetalk recently enough to speak to them). Why is alchemy
> acceptable here, but not in routing?
Because the provable metrics don't work for our scenario. At least they don't
work given the current assumptions and formulations.
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM, xor wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 10:01:31 Luke771 wrote:
>> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> > Luke771 schrieb:
>> >> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>> >> talking about.
>> >> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see
We are going to release 0.7.5 in the near future, and then 0.8 later. 0.7.5
may or may not include Freetalk, and will not be delayed for Freetalk.
Schedule:
Wednesday 20th of May - Release 0.7.5 beta, at the latest.
Wednesday 10th of June - Release 0.7.5 final.
Major feature work should be postp
On Wednesday 13 May 2009 10:01:31 Luke771 wrote:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Luke771 schrieb:
> >> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
> >> talking about.
> >> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see an identity even
> >> if the censors mark it down i
On Wednesday, 13. May 2009 19:00:54 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> We could pause most of the node relatively easily, there will still be some
> background activity, and therefore some garbage collection, but it can be
> kept minimal...
That would be great.
As long as it doesn't access its memory ver
On Wednesday, 13. May 2009 18:12:52 Robert Hailey wrote:
> On May 12, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 12. May 2009 21:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> be out in a few days), and hopefully Bloom filter sharing, a new
> >> feature
> >> enabling nodes to know what is
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 15:47:24 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
>> >> wrot
r for the moderately paranoid, and greatly
> improved
> performance for the not so paranoid.
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On May 12, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 17:57:04 Robert Hailey wrote:
>> If the bloom filters are recovering already-failed requests, then
>> surely latency is not the issue being addressed.
>>
>> I thought that the point of having bloom filters was to increa
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Thursday 07 May 2009 21:32:42 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Sachau
> wrote:
>> >> >
On Tuesday 12 May 2009 20:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> I will post this on the website tomorrow if there are no objections. If
anyone
> can suggest any improvements, please do so; sometimes what I write isn't
> readable by human beings!
>
> 7th May, 2009 - Another big donation!
>
> Google's
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On Wednesday 13 May 2009 17:12:52 Robert Hailey wrote:
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 12. May 2009 21:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> We are currently working on Freenet 0.8, which will be released
> >> later this
> >> year, and will include a
On Wednesday 13 May 2009 17:07:39 Robert Hailey wrote:
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 17:57:04 Robert Hailey wrote:
> >> If the bloom filters are recovering already-failed requests, then
> >> surely latency is not the issue being addressed.
>
Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Luke771 schrieb:
>
>> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>> talking about.
>> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see an identity even
>> if the censors mark it down it right away as it's created)
>>
>
> "The censors
On Sunday 10 May 2009 20:50:00 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 06 Mai 2009 00:23:54 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > Isn't using a reasonably low scheduling priority enough? And we already do
> > that!
>
> Not really, since I can't disable it (when I want full speed), and it sadly
> doesn
On Wednesday 13 May 2009 15:47:24 Evan Daniel wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Toseland
> wrote:
> > On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Thursday 07 May 2009 21:32:42 Evan Daniel wrote:
> >>
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 04:53:11 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ximin Luo wrote:
>>
>>> (one way of storing it which would allow token-deflate would be having each
>>> indexnode as a CHK, then you'd only have to INS an updated node and all its
>>>
On Wednesday 13 May 2009 04:53:11 Evan Daniel wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ximin Luo wrote:
>
> > (one way of storing it which would allow token-deflate would be having
each
> > indexnode as a CHK, then you'd only have to INS an updated node and all
its
> > parents up to the root,
On May 12, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
On Tuesday, 12. May 2009 21:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
We are currently working on Freenet 0.8, which will be released
later this
year, and will include additional performance improvements,
usability work,
and security improvement
On May 12, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 17:57:04 Robert Hailey wrote:
>> If the bloom filters are recovering already-failed requests, then
>> surely latency is not the issue being addressed.
>>
>> I thought that the point of having bloom filters was to increa
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 21:26:53 Ximin Luo wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> > Is it a good idea to use MD5? I guess you're using it the same way that
>> > XMLLibrarian does, but it may be more of a problem for your application?
>>
>> yo
2009/5/13 Matthew Toseland :
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 09:33:11 you wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:45:54 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> >> commit f86448d51c2e3248e1dfec513eefde50902aac30
>> >> Author: Daniel Cheng (???)
>> >> Date:
2009/5/13 Matthew Toseland :
> On Wednesday 13 May 2009 01:05:40 you wrote:
>> 2009/5/13 Matthew Toseland :
>> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 09:33:11 you wrote:
>> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 00:45:54 Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> >> >>
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Thursday 07 May 2009 21:32:42 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Sachau
> wrote:
>> >> >
On Wednesday, 13. May 2009 15:03:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Perhaps some form of feedback/ultimatum system? Users who are affected by
> spam from an identity can send proof that the identity is a spammer to the
> users they trust who trust that identity. If the proof is valid, those who
> trust t
On Friday 24 April 2009 20:03:41 vive wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:03:12PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 13:53:50 v...@freenetproject.org wrote:
> > > Author: vive
> > > Date: 2009-02-11 13:53:49 + (Wed, 11 Feb 2009)
> > > New Revision: 25585
> > > Adde
On Friday 08 May 2009 02:12:21 Evan Daniel wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Toseland
> wrote:
> > On Thursday 07 May 2009 21:32:42 Evan Daniel wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Sachau
wrote:
> >> > Evan Daniel schrieb:
> >> >> I don't have any specific ideas for
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On Wednesday, 13. May 2009 10:24:52 Daniel Cheng wrote:
> In fms, you can always adjust the MinLocalMessageTrust to get whatever
> message you please to read. -- ya, you may call it censorship..
> but it is the one every reader can opt-out with 2 clicks. --- Even
> if majority abuse the sy
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Luke771 wrote:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Luke771 schrieb:
>>
>>> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>>> talking about.
>>> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see an identity even
>>> if the censors mark it down it
Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Luke771 schrieb:
>
>> I can't comment on the technical part because I wouldnt know what im
>> talking about.
>> However, I do like the 'social' part (being able to see an identity even
>> if the censors mark it down it right away as it's created)
>>
>
> "The censors
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