[freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Volodya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/2010 07:35 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 03 December 2010 14:09:04 Matthew Toseland wrote: >> When a new opennet node is created, we create 40 ConnectionTokens. >> >> A ConnectionToken is basically just a public/private keypair. >> >

[freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Volodya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Automatically connecting to our friends' friends (at HIGH not MAXIMUM) to get > enough peers quickly. When i've proposed something like that years ago (when Opennet was not implemented yet) my proposal was struck down due to it not likely to create

[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread xor
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[freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1307

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
x27;s better to show the warning, > and > then allow direct download if the person chooses to do that. I guess we could list them separately but is it really worth the complexity? Also this isn't about filtering, it's about dangerous content types, which we can't filter. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20101208/66d502aa/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
be clusters of users on the same ISP etc. > > I think students is the large proportion of the Freenet population, and as > such > it *is* a big concern. We want to make it as easy as possible to introduce > your > flatmates and others to Freenet. Of course, we can say "get them to use > DarkNet", but at that time they only know you. > > > So maybe this is a dead end, although we can do some very basic local limits > > - As Ian originally suggested, if we have two peers in the same /16, dump > > both of them. > > Would this open you up to a dos attack against a known IP range? Possibly and > attack that is run by the ISP to ensure that from their addresses nobody can > use > Freenet. On a local level (single node checking its peers' IPs), no. > > > - On a seednode, limit any given IP address to a small number of > > announcements over a given period of time. This might conceivably. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20101208/c4eded4d/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
x27;t recall being strongly opposed to the proposal. Feel free to do your victory dance. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu

[freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
y suggested, if we have two peers in the same /16, dump both of them. - On a seednode, limit any given IP address to a small number of announcements over a given period of time. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20101208/7f656dfc/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
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Re: [freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Ximin Luo
On 08/12/10 02:09, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Would it be a good idea to have another Freenet mini-summit next year? > Sometime in early summer, at which point 0.8 will (presumably) have shipped, > in some convenient London perhaps? Or was last time a fluke derived from > various people just happeni

[freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Daxter
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[freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Florent Daigniere
Schedule it for next week then :) Friday is the day people finish early to go to the pub/on weekend. It's not the day they geek on IRC for a meeting. Florent On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:54:10PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 12:57:40 Florent Daigniere wrote: > >

[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
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Re: [freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Daxter
On Dec 8, 2010, at 15:27, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > 3) FPI pays for any long haul flights I need. :) > > One question: Are you a good swimmer? ;-) > > I'm not committed to doing it in the US by any means, I like to travel to the > UK at l

Re: [freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > 3) FPI pays for any long haul flights I need. :) One question: Are you a good swimmer? ;-) I'm not committed to doing it in the US by any means, I like to travel to the UK at least once a year as I have a lot of friends there. My point

[freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
summit next year? > > > Sometime in early summer, at which point 0.8 will (presumably) have > > > shipped, in some convenient London perhaps? Or was last time a fluke > > > derived from various people just happening to be in the UK at the time? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20101208/e203432f/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Florent Daigniere
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:40:25PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > I propose to go ahead with the planned IRC meeting this Friday. We agreed to > have them every 4 weeks on a Friday. infinity0 won't be available. I'm quite > happy to chair it. It will occur at 19:00 UTC on #freenet-meeting on >

[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
luke > > derived from various people just happening to be in the UK at the time? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20101208/578f9a97/attachment.pgp>

Re: [freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread xor
> Friday is the day people finish early to go to the pub/on weekend. It's not > the day they geek on IRC for a meeting. Agreed. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://fre

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1307

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 06:41:34 Volodya wrote: > On 12/07/2010 08:30 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Saturday 04 December 2010 04:42:37 Volodya wrote: > >>> - /download/ and the Download link linking to it have been removed. > >>> Click the key instead. > >>> - One reason for this was /d

Re: [freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 18:15:37 Volodya wrote: > On 12/08/2010 07:35 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 03 December 2010 14:09:04 Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> When a new opennet node is created, we create 40 ConnectionTokens. > >> > >> A ConnectionToken is basically just a public/priv

Re: [freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 18:06:03 Volodya wrote: > > Automatically connecting to our friends' friends (at HIGH not MAXIMUM) to > > get enough peers quickly. > > When i've proposed something like that years ago (when Opennet was not > implemented yet) my proposal was struck down due to it not

Re: [freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Volodya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/2010 07:35 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 03 December 2010 14:09:04 Matthew Toseland wrote: >> When a new opennet node is created, we create 40 ConnectionTokens. >> >> A ConnectionToken is basically just a public/private keypair. >> >

Re: [freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Volodya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Automatically connecting to our friends' friends (at HIGH not MAXIMUM) to get > enough peers quickly. When i've proposed something like that years ago (when Opennet was not implemented yet) my proposal was struck down due to it not likely to create

[freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1307

2010-12-08 Thread Volodya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/07/2010 08:30 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Saturday 04 December 2010 04:42:37 Volodya wrote: >>> - /download/ and the Download link linking to it have been removed. >>> Click the key instead. >>> - One reason for this was /download/ would no

[freenet-dev] The problem with IP-based limiting ... Re: Possibly workable ubernode detection / connection scarcity scheme

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 03 December 2010 14:09:04 Matthew Toseland wrote: > When a new opennet node is created, we create 40 ConnectionTokens. > > A ConnectionToken is basically just a public/private keypair. > > In order to validate the tokens and thus be able to use them, we ask 5 > seednodes to sign our to

[freenet-dev] Big push for darknet just after 0.8.0

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
I propose that before 0.8.0, we separate the opennet question, and get the wording right. After 0.8.0, we need a big push for darknet. Basically the objectives would be: (most of these are configurable) - Make darknet secure by fixing the Pitch Black attack. - Make it faster (more connections) b

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 01:08:51 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: > > > But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net > > that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? > > That would allow a direc

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread David ‘Bombe’ Roden
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Re: [freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Florent Daigniere
Schedule it for next week then :) Friday is the day people finish early to go to the pub/on weekend. It's not the day they geek on IRC for a meeting. Florent On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:54:10PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 12:57:40 Florent Daigniere wrote: > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 12:57:40 Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:40:25PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > I propose to go ahead with the planned IRC meeting this Friday. We agreed > > to have them every 4 weeks on a Friday. infinity0 won't be available. I'm > > quite

Re: [freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Florent Daigniere
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:40:25PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > I propose to go ahead with the planned IRC meeting this Friday. We agreed to > have them every 4 weeks on a Friday. infinity0 won't be available. I'm quite > happy to chair it. It will occur at 19:00 UTC on #freenet-meeting on >

Re: [freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 12:38:45 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 05:50:05 Daxter wrote: > > I would like to second your motion to meet in/near Texas. As a college > > student, that's the only way I could afford to attend. > > Okay, I'll add a proviso that I *won't* m

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 01:08:51 David ‘Bombe’ Roden wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: > > > But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net > > that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? > > That would allow a direc

Re: [freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 12:40:25 Matthew Toseland wrote: > I propose to go ahead with the planned IRC meeting this Friday. We agreed to > have them every 4 weeks on a Friday. infinity0 won't be available. I'm quite > happy to chair it. It will occur at 19:00 UTC on #freenet-meeting on > ir

[freenet-dev] Regular IRC meeting this Friday

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
I propose to go ahead with the planned IRC meeting this Friday. We agreed to have them every 4 weeks on a Friday. infinity0 won't be available. I'm quite happy to chair it. It will occur at 19:00 UTC on #freenet-meeting on irc.freenode.net. The agenda can be found here, please contribute to it:

Re: [freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 05:50:05 Daxter wrote: > I would like to second your motion to meet in/near Texas. As a college > student, that's the only way I could afford to attend. Okay, I'll add a proviso that I *won't* meet anywhere outside of Western Europe. :) If we have too many americans

[freenet-dev] Should we have another mini-summit?

2010-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
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