Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-04 Thread pineapple
--- Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0800, pineapple wrote: Uh oh! I have another idea for this! Another weakness with this attack is the assumption that is made about what constitutes a nearby key. Right now all nodes arrange their estimator

RE: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
only way to find out would be to gather the estimator graphs from many nodes and compare them to see if a node has some kind of global estimator graph, or if a node has a different graph for each node that has an estimator for it. That would be very useful I think. Write the script and

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread pineapple
--- Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- pineapple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nick Tarleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe just XOR with a randomly chosen node-private value. But won't this fubar routing and specialization, if each node has a different ordering in its

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread Some Guy
--- pineapple [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: --- Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- pineapple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nick Tarleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe just XOR with a randomly chosen node-private value. But won't this fubar routing and specialization,

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread pineapple
--- Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- pineapple [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: --- Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- pineapple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nick Tarleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe just XOR with a randomly chosen node-private value. But

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0800, pineapple wrote: Uh oh! I have another idea for this! Another weakness with this attack is the assumption that is made about what constitutes a nearby key. Right now all nodes arrange their estimator keyspace internally in the same manner. Why?

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-02 Thread pineapple
--- Nick Tarleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe just XOR with a randomly chosen node-private value. But won't this fubar routing and specialization, if each node has a different ordering in its routing? Or do I misunderstand what is meant by estimator keyspace? -- Since the ordering

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-02 Thread Edward J. Huff
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 09:08, pineapple wrote: Actually, I withdraw my last proposal. I think this one would work much better. So the two proposals for thwarting Toad's key DoS scenario are: 1) Hash-cash - works by making requesters pay a price for each request. 2) Estimator keyspace

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-02 Thread pineapple
My previous proposal was dynamic estimators, but it would be slow to compensate and hard to implement. Forget I mentioned it :) Also, I'd like to add a third item to my list: 3) Tom's decentralized positive trust biased model - solves the DoS problem and is much more usefull for solving other

[freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-01 Thread pineapple
Uh oh! I have another idea for this! Another weakness with this attack is the assumption that is made about what constitutes a nearby key. Right now all nodes arrange their estimator keyspace internally in the same manner. Why? The keys are encrypted so they are essentially random and

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-01 Thread Nick Tarleton
On Saturday 01 November 2003 06:19 pm, pineapple wrote: Uh oh! I have another idea for this! Another weakness with this attack is the assumption that is made about what constitutes a nearby key. Right now all nodes arrange their estimator keyspace internally in the same manner. Why? The