Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-12 Thread Thomas Harding
Badly quoted below : info on current printed area in centimeters or inches would be useful to figure out paging (beware that ms-foo print servers makes regularly jokes, especially with anything but A4. Which will unlikely be splitted on A4 (an empty or "locked' tray is sufficient) ) Find th

Diagram defaults? (was: Re: Margins for A4 sheet)

2014-06-12 Thread Hans Breuer
At 11.06.2014 11:39, Chris Green wrote: [...] > But it's *not* "seamlessly scalable" because the individual components (of *any* of the types of objects that come with it) don't scale as well as the diagram as a whole. They will scale plus/minus a factor of two or so but beyond that they real

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-12 Thread Hans Breuer
At 10.06.2014 12:35, Dumitru Ursu wrote: On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote: Hello, I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the whole canvas is painted; When I export to PDF I get a docum

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Thomas Harding
Sorry for long quote : tht's tedious with a cellphone to wipe :) So, your method is the right one: starting from templates where needed. And fortunately it would be easy to code, with almost no impact on ui: ''new diagram'' ''pause'' ''from template'' ''templates menu'' ; keeping ''new diagram

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 07:11:10PM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some > > odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? > > No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an inform

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Dumitru Ursu
On 06/11/2014 06:11 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your immediate surroundings. Yes, my opinion is based on my immediate surroundigs, that is true. But as I said in a previous replay, is not that hard to find who are the users of

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Michael Ross
I like the way Dia works, and find it very flexible. I think learning the software is the best choice. I do not develop this code, however, I have seen the developers engage with people and incorporate new ideas and features, often. This is what I observe. (Leaving bugs out of this conversation

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some > odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX? No, it's time to carefully appraise the issue and make an informed decision. > It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 08:43:31AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: >I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settings I like, grid >size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. A It is completely >unreasonable for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a >default, but

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Dumitru Ursu
On 06/11/2014 03:43 PM, Michael Ross wrote: This is a common occurrence - a new user has a bunch of suggestions (that are often repeats of previous ones from years past) that are not informed by experience with the program, how open source work gets done, and an unwillingness to adapt to what

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Chris Green! >> > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends >> > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about >> > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into >> > a web page or whatever. >> >> > They com

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Michael Ross
I have a Dia called Start Dia File that has all the settings I like, grid size, scale some layers, margins, and so on. It is completely unreasonable for me to expect Dia to have exactly what I want as a default, but this simple solution does provide that: When I start up, my Start Dia File is in

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 01:53:02AM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Chris Green! > > > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends > > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about > > details of how it will scale when they want to print i

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 06:53:57PM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: >Chris,A >Not every drawing is a circuit diagram. A Dia is designed to be general >purpose, so some tasks require that you use Dia the way a generalized >program requires it. Yes, I know not all drawings are circuit dia

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Michael Ross
Chris, Not every drawing is a circuit diagram. Dia is designed to be general purpose, so some tasks require that you use Dia the way a generalized program requires it. If you want to do circuit diagrams then the a specific software may very well be easier for that task. However, that software

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Chris Green! > I thinks that's right. The inexperienced user (me, for example) tends > to dive in with a diagram that they want to draw before thinking about > details of how it will scale when they want to print it or put it into > a web page or whatever. > They complete a lovely dia

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:05:43PM +0300, Dumitru Ursu wrote: > On 06/10/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Green wrote: > >Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much > >easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4. > > > >Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Dumitru Ursu
On 06/10/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Green wrote: Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4. Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture of something' is one that can be presented fairly sensibly on a sheet of

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 09:23:59AM -0400, Michael Ross wrote: >Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set to contrast >with the background. >You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Setup A menu to be >practically infinite if you like that. A The world can fi

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Chris Green
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 02:56:06PM +0400, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > > > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made > > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed > > to work. > > I don't know such people myself. Everyone

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Michael Ross
Right you can show the margin boundaries - if they are set to contrast with the background. You can change the Scale of the page at the Page Setup menu to be practically infinite if you like that. The world can fit inside an A4 sheet if you like, or you can adjust it as needs be. I think that D

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Dumitru Ursu! > Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made > optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed > to work. I don't know such people myself. Everyone I know used to work on an infinite canvas, and print only the parts they ne

Re: Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Dumitru Ursu
On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote: Hello, I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the whole canvas is painted; When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need just

Margins for A4 sheet

2014-06-10 Thread Dumitru Ursu
Hello, I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the whole canvas is painted; When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need just one. Also, how do I scale the diagrams? Di