RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-16 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subbiah Arunachalam Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:39 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq Dear Andy and Steve and others on the list: Telecentres are what we make of them and the activities we bu

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-15 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Dear Andy and Steve and others on the list: Telecentres are what we make of them and the activities we build around them. The women in the villages around Pondicherry in southern India, like most other women in rural southern India, would rarely come in front of men from outside their own famili

RE: RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-10 Thread John Hibbs
At 8:51 AM -0700 5/9/05, Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: In the case of the powerful drug called a "telecenter," there are times and communities when that drug needs to be delayed or avoided until there is a readiness to benefit from it. And, in the instant case - Iraq - perhaps could you tell us what mat

RE: RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-10 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
At 8:51 AM -0700 5/9/05, Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: >In the case of the powerful drug called a "telecenter," there are times and >communities when that drug needs to be delayed or avoided until there is a >readiness to benefit from it. Somewhat later Mr. John Hibbs asked: >And, in the instant cas

RE: RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-09 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
IL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:14 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Cc: John Hibbs; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; telecentres@wsis-cs.org Subject: Re: RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq [Dr. Steve Eskow] ___ DIGITA

RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-08 Thread John Hibbs
At 1:07 PM -0700 5/7/05, Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: The telecenter that enriches one community that lead to a deepening of discord and violence in the next one. Poppycock. Extremism is the source of the danger. If it is pointed at hospitals because that is where people gather, should we quit providin

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-08 Thread Taran Rampersad
Mark Warschauer wrote: >> Maybe we should start a 'Blogs for bombs' amnesty program, where >> people trade bombs for a voice on the internet. While that may sound >> stupid and perhaps facetious, it's a blind stab at part of the problem - >> when people feel they must resort to violence, it is usu

RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Taran Rampersad Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:37 PM Cc: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: >Taran Ramersad writes: > ><they do not believ

RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
Taran Ramersad writes: <> Those who are resorting to violence in Iraq and Israel--and the US--have been heard, and clearly. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that when people resort to violence it is because they are not satisfied with being heard: they want to prevail. If this is so, we might

RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread John Hibbs
At 10:12 AM -0700 5/7/05, Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: Like you, Andy, I am a believer. What I want to keep in mind is John Gardner's discussion of two kinds of people who create problems for a cause: "unloving critics" and "uncritical lovers."I want to be a "loving critic." That's fine. I guess. What I

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Taran Rampersad
Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: >Taran Ramersad writes: > >> > >Those who are resorting to violence in Iraq and Israel--and the US--have >been heard, and clearly. > > Have they? By no means do I defend anyone who undertakes a road of violence (pick a side i

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Mark Warschauer
Maybe we should start a 'Blogs for bombs' amnesty program, where people trade bombs for a voice on the internet. While that may sound stupid and perhaps facetious, it's a blind stab at part of the problem - when people feel they must resort to violence, it is usually because they do not believe tha

RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
Hi Andy, About Iraq and telecentres you write: <> I, too, hope the current cultural and shooting wars in Iraq would lessen if telecentres were freely available. However: as realists, don't we have to look at the possibility that those divides would widen ? Perhaps the terrors and the terro

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread John Hibbs
In the run up to the invasion of Iraq, when it was certain to some of us - including a well connected civilian inside the Pentagon - that war and the aftermath would come, a number of us drafted a memorandum outlining why 40 foot vans, filled with the necessaries, could do about as Andy describ

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-07 Thread Ed Gragert
Hello Taran, You write: I'm fairly certain that there must be some Iraqi telecenters now, though. Do we know anything about them? We in iEARN are installing labs this month in high schools in both Erbil and Baghdad with satellite connections. Part of the stipulation of the installation/grant is

Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

2005-05-06 Thread Taran Rampersad
Andy Carvin wrote: > Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: > >> And it is not clear--to me, at least--that if we had a thousand >> telecenters >> in Iraq that the other divides would shrink. > > > Hi Steve, > > If there were 1,000 telecentres in Iraq that did nothing but provide > people email access and an outl