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It is encouraging to see the debate that started with a focus o
1 years when he dumped on Mondale ;>)
Joe
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The concept of "redundant" students and "superfluous" students is hard for
many to grasp. Clearly Joe Beckmann is one of them:
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What is the "capital value" of being able to play the game yourself, rather
than watch it from the stands? What is the "capital value" of a
teacher-student conferen
Joe Beckmann writes:
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Since this matter of size is indeed critical to the smaller and poorer
nations, the two points here need to be contested.
The evidence to support the widespread belief that the larger schools cost
less is shaky; giantism introduces all sorts of new costs into the
comparis
Joe Beckmann writes:
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Passion for learning is, of course, not the same as passion for technology.
The latter passion is called, variously,and depending on the exact
symptomology of the adoration, technophilia or technoutopianism or
technomania or technoromanticism,or in its milder, less v
It is difficult for all of us to avoid seeing the world through our own
customized set of lenses and filters.
Tom Abeles' lenses help him see current educational debates as a clash
between the "bricks" and the "clicks," his favorite dichotomy.
The "brick" folks, of course, are those throwbacks
I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest. I don't really
understand what issues are being discussed here, but I do have one post
to say it so I will.
There seem to be two extremes that people are leaning toward - one where
they lean toward the present educational system being flawed, a
Joseph Beckmann wrote, in a small part:
...The computer is not the Great Instructor, but, rather, a really responsive
library to which any student can contribute and from which any class can be
improved. Surely the small school movement has stressed the interpersonal
networking of a team of te
It is encouraging to see the debate that started with a focus on one
piece of equipment widening out, first to issues of social versus
private computing then to academic issues.
I suggest there are certain elements of successful study - which hold
true at all stages of education (formal and in
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From: Dr. Steve Eskow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The concept of "redundant" students and "superfluous"
ome other papers on how to use newspapers in classrooms to
mobilize that same sense of inquiry. It's time we just put the toys on the
table and explored what kids take from them. And then exploit that more
mindfully.
Sorry to go on so long, but it flowed.
Joe Beckmann
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You've hit a topic that is still too largely ignored. Technology promises to
realize the so
Penn State offers a fine, fine distance education list serv, made up
of around 15,000 persons deeply involved in distance education. Over
the years there must have been several dozen studies that show "no
significant difference" between courses delivered face to face and
those delivered over th
a warm feeling, tell 'em to pee their pants. That's
not the point."
Joe Beckmann
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Ahh, a debate.
Observing classrooms in Gates schools, where technology was ample, there
were few times when students were urged to "find out" rather
notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy
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ts some of the learning that's possible.
Joe Beckmann
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i have come to the belief that this new iteration in technology is way
different from previous technologies. for one thing and most importantly,
this technology is interactive. the former
s well.
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> Joe Beckmann (aka Cassandra)
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retty political as well.
Joe Beckmann (aka Cassandra)
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Janet Salmos writes:
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If we are to win the war against the digital divide we need to enlist all
the major institutions of society.
Perhaps the crucial bridge across the divide is government, and that bridge
is built by politics.
Steve Eskow
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oh i couldnt agree with you more, joe, which is why i have since 1993
provided web access to all my scholars.
now to add to the idea of a technophobic academia, again a concept to
which i strongly agree, please add the other technology killer in k-12
schools esp: THE FILTER.
anyway, take a look
Tom Abeles maintains, cogently, that the rhetoric of the "ICT" as a/the
vehicle for crossing "the digital divide" has become part of a
quasi-religion:
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Indeed.
That religious faith, however, seems not to respect traditional political
and philosophical boundaries.
In the US, one of the f
I am not grasping how having the tools to participate in economic,
educational, social and civic life is either liberal or conservative?
It seems to me that this list needs to focus on the issues of bridging the
digital divide, not on politics.
Janet Salmons
VISION2LEAD, INC.
Site- http://www.v
You've hit a topic that is still too largely ignored. Technology promises to
realize the social liberal vision of transparent government, policy,
program, business and development. Yet The Academy is notoriously
technophobic. Diane Ravitch, in the US, has recently taken up the argument
against smal
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