Jesse Phillips:
> This page[1] has been getting regular updates, so it should do a good
> job answering the question.
> 1. http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel#FutureDirections
Most things on that page seems OK and not too much complex to understand. There
are two things in that p
"Simen kjaeraas" wrote in message
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> Bane wrote:
>
>> So he's programming during day and acting over night? Man, that is
>> perfect job!
>
> Nonono. He's a programmer at night and actor during the day.
> How could anyone ever program while the sun is u
We've been bitten by the following bug recently in C code:
uint flag = 0x1;
uint flags;
if (flags | flag) {
dout.writefln("oops");
}
The programmer intended &.
It is (almost?) always an error to use | in a conditional. At least the
conditional in the above code is alwa
Hello Andrei,
BCS wrote:
Hello Andrei,
Well if we get into details we'll figure that things must be quite
different for different memory management models. For example Object
in ref-counted mode is not a class anymore, it's a struct. So now
there's going to be two parts in an app: those in w
BCS wrote:
Hello Andrei,
Well if we get into details we'll figure that things must be quite
different for different memory management models. For example Object
in ref-counted mode is not a class anymore, it's a struct. So now
there's going to be two parts in an app: those in which Object is a
dsimcha wrote:
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article
Well if we get into details we'll figure that things must be quite
different for different memory management models. For example Object in
ref-counted mode is not a class anymore, it's a struct. So now the
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article
> Well if we get into details we'll figure that things must be quite
> different for different memory management models. For example Object in
> ref-counted mode is not a class anymore, it's a struct. So now there's
> going
Hello Andrei,
Well if we get into details we'll figure that things must be quite
different for different memory management models. For example Object
in ref-counted mode is not a class anymore, it's a struct. So now
there's going to be two parts in an app: those in which Object is a
class, and t
Craig Black wrote:
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BCS wrote:
Hello Andrei,
The nice part about refcounting is that for the most part you don't
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BCS wrote:
Hello Andrei,
The nice part about refcounting is that for the most part you don't
need to cripple the
Jason House wrote:
> Andrei's finishing his last TDPL chapter, Sean is updating std.thread(?), and
> Walter's been fixing forward reference and CTFE bugs. What's left?
This page[1] has been getting regular updates, so it should do a good
job answering the question.
1. http://www.prowiki.org/wi
Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
Isn't that what opDispatch does now?
-Lars
Not as a static member, to my knowledge. At the very least, I see no
mention of static forwarding in the docs:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/operatoroverloading.html#Dispatch
The fact that the name of the non-exis
Andrei's finishing his last TDPL chapter, Sean is updating std.thread(?), and
Walter's been fixing forward reference and CTFE bugs. What's left?
Bill Baxter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
On Linux the processes almost always stay on main memory, and only start
to fill swap when running out of main memory. So unless you have no swap set
up, OOM cannot happen unless
Rainer Deyke wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
std.traits has a Unsigned template. I plan to add two functions:
signed(x) and unsigned(x), which transform the integral x into the
signed/unsigned integral of the same size. Generic code could then call
signed or unsigned wherever necessary. For ab
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Please stop spreading that information. Even if it has truth to it, it's
> not a reason to throw our hands in the air. In my field apps routinely
> encounter and handle the problem of running tight on memory.
I think in general it's better to detect and respond to low
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> std.traits has a Unsigned template. I plan to add two functions:
> signed(x) and unsigned(x), which transform the integral x into the
> signed/unsigned integral of the same size. Generic code could then call
> signed or unsigned wherever necessary. For abs, they'd have
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> BCS wrote:
>> Hello Andrei,
>>
>>> BCS wrote:
>>>
Also there is one thing that -nogc would have over what you are
talking about; you could use it on some modules and not others. If I
have some performance critical code where attempting to use the GC
>>>
> > It's much more complicated than that. What if a library returns an
> > object or an array to another library?
> The same that happens in C now, memory management is part of the interface
> and you should state if the returned object's memory is managed by the
> library or the user.
library or
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> retard wrote:
>>>
>>> On Linux the processes almost always stay on main memory, and only start
>>> to fill swap when running out of main memory. So unless you have no swap set
>>> up, OOM cannot happen unless
Walter Bright wrote:
retard wrote:
On Linux the processes almost always stay on main memory, and only
start to fill swap when running out of main memory. So unless you have
no swap set up, OOM cannot happen unless the swap is >95% filled. OOM
inside the GC's virtual memory space can happen ear
Steve Teale Wrote:
> I don't believe that D aficionados are going to post many 'wow, this is cool
> - look at this' articles on the .learn group. They'll answer questions, yes,
> but with its rankings sinking, D needs more oomph.
Truth is that D aficionados don't really post those here either.
retard wrote:
On Linux the processes almost always stay on main memory, and only start
to fill swap when running out of main memory. So unless you have no swap
set up, OOM cannot happen unless the swap is >95% filled. OOM inside the
GC's virtual memory space can happen earlier, of course.
Yea
Jesse Phillips Wrote:
> Steve Teale Wrote:
>
> > That this newsgroup was renamed digitalmars.d2. Probably > 80% of the
> > discussion here is on topics relating to the evolution of the language.
> > Don't get me wrong, as soon as D2 is stable, I'll be the first to switch.
> >
> > But where doe
Rainer Deyke wrote:
Don wrote:
bearophile wrote:
And abs() of an unsigned number probably needs a compilation warning.
Not a warning, it's always an error.
I can imagine abs(x) being useful in a generic function where x can be
either signed or unsigned.
std.traits has a Unsigned template.
Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:38:07 +, BCS wrote:
> Hello bearophile,
>> (And it can be positive to define a standard way the D GC talks with
>> the virtual memory subsystem of the operationg system, to avoid useless
>> swaps from and to disk).
>
> IIRC virtual memeory and swapping has little or nothi
Hello bearophile,
Walter Bright:
You can design a system that has "free these blobs of memory I'm
keeping in reserve if I run out and hopefully that will be enough",
but that strategy needs to be part of the gc itself, not user
recovery code.
Do you mean that the D2 GC API needs to grow some
Steve Teale Wrote:
> That this newsgroup was renamed digitalmars.d2. Probably > 80% of the
> discussion here is on topics relating to the evolution of the language. Don't
> get me wrong, as soon as D2 is stable, I'll be the first to switch.
>
> But where does the current discussion leave those
Don wrote:
> bearophile wrote:
>> And abs() of an unsigned number probably needs a compilation warning.
>
> Not a warning, it's always an error.
I can imagine abs(x) being useful in a generic function where x can be
either signed or unsigned.
--
Rainer Deyke - rain...@eldwood.com
That this newsgroup was renamed digitalmars.d2. Probably > 80% of the
discussion here is on topics relating to the evolution of the language. Don't
get me wrong, as soon as D2 is stable, I'll be the first to switch.
But where does the current discussion leave those of us who want to use D and
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 20:48 me escribiste:
BCS wrote:
Hello Andrei,
BCS wrote:
Also there is one thing that -nogc would have over what you are
talking about; you could use it on some modules and not others. If I
have some performance critical cod
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 19:13 me escribiste:
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 17:39 me escribiste:
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Danny Wilson, el 20 de enero a las 16:44 me escribiste:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:18:52 +0100,
Walter Bright, el 21 de enero a las 02:18 me escribiste:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >But I don't think people that *really* need to be in full control would
> >see a RC GC as something tempting. As long as there is an option to
> >(easily) avoid the GC, I'm happy, if you want to provice an RC
> >
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 20:48 me escribiste:
> BCS wrote:
> >Hello Andrei,
> >
> >>BCS wrote:
> >>
> >>>Also there is one thing that -nogc would have over what you are
> >>>talking about; you could use it on some modules and not others. If I
> >>>have some performance critical cod
Walter Bright, el 21 de enero a las 02:15 me escribiste:
> Often programs that purportedly can recover from oom actually
> cannot, because they were never tested and the recovery code doesn't
> work.
Unless you use fault-injection. Is *not* that rare...
--
Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca)
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 19:13 me escribiste:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >Andrei Alexandrescu, el 20 de enero a las 17:39 me escribiste:
> >>Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >>>Danny Wilson, el 20 de enero a las 16:44 me escribiste:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:18:52 +0100, Leandro Luc
Walter Bright:
> You can design a system that has "free these blobs of memory I'm keeping
> in reserve if I run out and hopefully that will be enough", but that
> strategy needs to be part of the gc itself, not user recovery code.
Do you mean that the D2 GC API needs to grow something to tell th
Leandro Lucarella wrote:
But I don't think people that *really* need to be in full control would
see a RC GC as something tempting. As long as there is an option to
(easily) avoid the GC, I'm happy, if you want to provice an RC
implementation then, great. I can't see an RC implementation fitting
Michel Fortin wrote:
But that's probably just a bug somewhere.
We decided that gc allocations are allowable inside a "nothrow"
function. The idea is that there are two classifications of exceptions -
recoverable and non-recoverable. "nothrow" only refers to recoverable
ones. Out of memory is
On 01/21/2010 09:28 AM, Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
Lars T. Kyllingstad wrote:
Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
(Apologies ahead of time if I've overlooked something.)
How possible could it be to have opDispatch or an equivalent feature
(opStaticDispatch?) available for static forwarding? Use-cas
Don wrote:
bearophile wrote:
And abs() of an unsigned number probably needs a compilation warning.
Not a warning, it's always an error.
Ok, makes sense. I'll operate the change in Phobos.
Andrei
bearophile wrote:
And abs() of an unsigned number probably needs a compilation warning.
Not a warning, it's always an error.
And abs() of an unsigned number probably needs a compilation warning.
Bye,
bearophile
Lars T. Kyllingstad wrote:
Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
(Apologies ahead of time if I've overlooked something.)
How possible could it be to have opDispatch or an equivalent feature
(opStaticDispatch?) available for static forwarding? Use-case: I'm
envisioning an ORM library, where one could
Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
(Apologies ahead of time if I've overlooked something.)
How possible could it be to have opDispatch or an equivalent feature
(opStaticDispatch?) available for static forwarding? Use-case: I'm
envisioning an ORM library, where one could do things like:
Player.
Andrei Alexandrescu:
>May this post be an innocent victim of the war against unsigned-related bugs.<
Unsigned numbers are evil (especially if you use them in a language with no
integral overflow tests).
A partial solution to this problem is:
1) to use them in a program only where you really need
(Apologies ahead of time if I've overlooked something.)
How possible could it be to have opDispatch or an equivalent feature (opStaticDispatch?)
available for static forwarding? Use-case: I'm envisioning an ORM library, where one
could do things like:
Player.findFirstByName( "Bob" )
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