Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:13:23 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: Negligence to do so is, to me, either extreme laziness or lack of respect to the reader. neither, in fact. i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more

Re: Dlang on Gentoo (update)

2014-08-30 Thread Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d-announce
Added ebuild: * dub 0.9.21 Updated ebuilds: * GDC based on GCC 4.8.3 and DMD FE 2.065 * DMD 2.066.0 and tools I wonder if I can switch to linking with libphobos2.so now by default for dmd? Any outstanding issues/objections? -- Marco

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects legibility and creates dissonance within the text. It also appears

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Gary Willoughby via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:55:36 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: It also appears unprofessional and uneducated. so i am. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: core.stdcpp

2014-08-30 Thread eles via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 00:01:50 UTC, Mike wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 16:54:18 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 09:43:03 UTC, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 06:50:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I'm judging by both the responses in this thread

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a

Re: core.stdcpp

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 08:39:12 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 00:01:50 UTC, Mike wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 16:54:18 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 09:43:03 UTC, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 06:50:19 UTC, Walter Bright

Re: COFF support for Win32 merged

2014-08-30 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-08-30 00:40, Szymon Gatner wrote: But there is still a matter of ARM/iOS runtime correct? Yes, but that is nothing I'm working on. Although other people are working on that. Those merges will go to 2.067? I have no idea. -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Gary Willoughby via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:55:37 UTC, safety0ff wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: i believe that those rules are useless and senseless now, so it's more like a one man crusade. It's not a one man's crusade, it affects

Re: core.stdcpp

2014-08-30 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-08-29 23:00, simendsjo wrote: It's still available at dsource: http://www.dsource.org/projects/ares I don't think he's referring to Ares, he's referring to some other D runtime. -- /Jacob Carlborg

DAuth v0.6.1 - Salted Hashed Password Library

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
An update to DAuth is out: https://github.com/Abscissa/DAuth Main Changes: - Add support for DMD 2.066 (Now supports v2.064.2 through v2.066.0) - Supports crypt(3)-style hash strings for MS5, SHA-256 and SHA-512. - Improved README - Improved API Reference - now uses ddox. Full ChangeLog:

Re: DAuth v0.6.1 - Salted Hashed Password Library

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/30/2014 6:29 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: An update to DAuth is out: https://github.com/Abscissa/DAuth Main Changes: - Add support for DMD 2.066 (Now supports v2.064.2 through v2.066.0) - Supports crypt(3)-style hash strings for MS5, SHA-256 and SHA-512. Would you believe *MD5*, not MS5.

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Stop being such a grammar nazi. I didn't bring it up because I felt like being pedantic, I brought it up as a suggestion to make it more pleasant to read. Since you've already been labelled as a pedant, perhaps you

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Mengu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 06:00:31 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:13:23 + krzaq via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: Negligence to do so is, to me, either extreme laziness or lack of respect to the reader.

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/30/2014 5:38 AM, Gary Willoughby wrote: ˙ǝƃɐnƃuɐן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ɹo ʞɐǝds pןnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ uo ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ sʎɐʍןɐ ǝɹɐ ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ-uou ʇɐɥʇ snoıɹɐןıɥ ʇı puıɟ sʎɐʍןɐ I I'm a native English speaker. Uncapitalized I makes a writer come across like a common leet-speak

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:44:18 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: Stop being such a grammar nazi. I didn't bring it up because I felt like being pedantic, I brought it up as

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:49:33 UTC, Mengu wrote: i will join you in your fight. i do not use upper case letters when writing both in english and turkish. i find these rules utterly useless as well. the funny thing is that there are movements that fight for a revision of written

Re: core.stdcpp

2014-08-30 Thread Mike via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 16:37:12 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 04:23:28 UTC, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2014 at 00:32:20 UTC, Mike wrote: I'm asking this community to consider setting a new precedent for druntime: reduce the scope to just the language

Re: COFF support for Win32 merged

2014-08-30 Thread Robert M. Münch via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-08-29 15:46:32 +, Jacob Carlborg said: On 2014-08-29 16:06, Szymon Gatner wrote: If that is indeed the case then this is huge for me. I am doing 32bit Win apps and their iOS versions. The moment I will be able to use D libraries on both platforms I will totaly do it. In fact I

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread eles via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 11:27:13 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:44:18 + safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 07:59:16 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote: There is no question that failing to

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread Meta via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 11:19:55 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 8/30/2014 5:38 AM, Gary Willoughby wrote: ˙ǝƃɐnƃuɐן uʍo ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʇıɹʍ ɹo ʞɐǝds pןnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ uo ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ oʇ ƃuıʎɹʇ sʎɐʍןɐ ǝɹɐ ǝןdoǝd ɥsıןƃuƎ-uou ʇɐɥʇ snoıɹɐןıɥ ʇı puıɟ sʎɐʍןɐ I I'm a native English

Re: Blog post on hidden treasure in the D standard library.

2014-08-30 Thread safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-announce
Just a correction: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:44:20 UTC, safety0ff wrote: Since you've already been labelled as a pedant, perhaps you should learn the difference between pedantry and Nazism. I meant: Since you've already labelled *me* Anyways.

Re: DAuth v0.6.1 - Salted Hashed Password Library

2014-08-30 Thread Casey via Digitalmars-d-announce
Would it be possible to support bcrypt style password hashing? The one key feature of it is that it encrypts/hashes the password many times to slow down brute force attacks. Hash algorithms are too fast to prevent this.

Re: COFF support for Win32 merged

2014-08-30 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-08-30 14:31, Robert M. Münch wrote: That's cool stuff. How will Swift influence this? I'm pretty sure that Apple's strategy is to get rid of Objective-C ASAP and use Swift whereever possible. Swift is ABI compatible with Objective-C. So anything that works across Swift and

Re: Eclipse D Development Tools (DDT) plug-in version 0.10.2 released

2014-08-30 Thread Nordlöw
On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 21:20:48 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: - Mouse hovering over an auto keyword will show the resolved type - How is this implemented? - Will this expand to cover any expression at the cursor in the future? This would be a super promotor for introducing D to

Re: DAuth v0.6.1 - Salted Hashed Password Library

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/30/2014 10:19 AM, Casey wrote: Would it be possible to support bcrypt style password hashing? The one key feature of it is that it encrypts/hashes the password many times to slow down brute force attacks. Hash algorithms are too fast to prevent this. DAuth is designed for everything to

Re: Destroying structs (literally)

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:49:07 -0700 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: yes, yes and yes! You forgot the Oxford comma :o). -- Andrei yes, yes, and yes! fixed, ready to another round of reviews. ;-) signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

2014-08-30 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Walter Bright wrote: On 8/28/2014 2:53 AM, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: I should have said that in D it is used when declaring an instance (i.e. at the place of the instance declaration) whereas in the patent it is used when declaring the type. For a patent lawyer, this will be enough to say

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

2014-08-30 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Timon Gehr wrote: On 08/28/2014 11:53 AM, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: ... I should have said that in D it is used when declaring an instance (i.e. at the place of the instance declaration) whereas in the patent it is used when declaring the type. For a patent lawyer, this will be enough to

Re: Destroying structs (literally)

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 03:54:41 UTC, Orvid King wrote: On 8/29/2014 2:52 PM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 19:01:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 8/29/14, 3:53 AM, Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net wrote: Jacob Carlborg just recently

Re: Before we implement SDL package format for DUB

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 20:54:49 UTC, Idan Arye wrote: I would now like to invoke the Zero One Infinity Rule(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_one_infinity_rule). Supporting one format makes sense - DUB can simply use the set of functions and data structures provided by Phobos or by

Re: Looking to hire: 2-3 programmers, candidates will likely need to learn D.

2014-08-30 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 8/30/14, 2:35 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 18:57:14 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 8/29/14, 12:40 AM, Dejan Lekic wrote: Vic, I posted the job to the D Developer Network at LinkedIn:

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 8/30/14, 5:18 AM, Dicebot wrote: I have likely missed several points but overall it seem pretty clear to me that all requests / concerns have not been addressed and this proposal is not yet ready for another round of review. How do the remaining issues break down into QoI that can be

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

2014-08-30 Thread monarch_dodra via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 09:00:24 UTC, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Timon Gehr wrote: On 08/28/2014 11:53 AM, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: ... I should have said that in D it is used when declaring an instance (i.e. at the place of the instance declaration) whereas in the patent it is used

Re: Before we implement SDL package format for DUB

2014-08-30 Thread Idan Arye via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 09:37:55 UTC, Marc Schütz wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 20:54:49 UTC, Idan Arye wrote: I would now like to invoke the Zero One Infinity Rule(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_one_infinity_rule). Supporting one format makes sense - DUB can simply use the

code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
Hello. there are some c-style array declarations both in druntime and in phobos. i made two patches that fixes 'em: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13401 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13402 signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:57:51 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: Hello. there are some c-style array declarations both in druntime and in phobos. i made two patches that fixes 'em: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13401 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13402 If

Re: Before we implement SDL package format for DUB

2014-08-30 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 8/25/2014 12:40 PM, Jonathan Marler wrote: Hello everyone, [endless discussion] Anyone seen the mystery/comedy/detective show Monk? I've been watching it lately. One interesting quirk about the main character Adrian Monk (a character who's humorously *loaded* with quirks) is that one

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:31:13 + Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: If you want to contribute, please create pull requests on github: sorry, i'm not using github and not planning to register on github either. i have a personal reason for it. It's doubtful

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote in message news:mailman.103.1409399655.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... sorry, i'm not using github and not planning to register on github either. i have a personal reason for it. That's your choice, but if you want to contribute patches to the compiler or

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:25:18 +1000 Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: That's your choice, but if you want to contribute patches to the compiler or libraries you will need to get over it and make an account. not *that* much. ok, i got the point and will not make

Re: Before we implement SDL package format for DUB

2014-08-30 Thread eles via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 11:40:01 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 8/25/2014 12:40 PM, Jonathan Marler wrote: We are Adrian Monk. We can't handle choice. ;) You may say anything you want, but I love Monk. And the actor impersonating him is just either a genius, either suffer from teh

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On 30 Aug 2014 12:35, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 10:57:51 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: Hello. there are some c-style array declarations both in druntime and in phobos. i made two patches that fixes 'em:

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Kevin Lamonte via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 02:11:49 UTC, Dicebot wrote: API must specify a strong stance on threading, whatever the form it takes Does not seem to be addressed at all. At least I see no mentions of it in core.d documentation and logger instance itself is plain __gshared thing. I'm not

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote in message news:mailman.107.1409402768.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... Responses like this aren't particularly useful either. We have a 'patch' keyword in bugzilla (from memory), and people are free to use that as a tool to

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Jakob Ovrum via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 02:11:49 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Jakob Ovrum The *API* must support minimal dynamic memory allocation for the normal execution path. However, theoretical *implementation* changes that reduce

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 09:54:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 8/30/14, 5:18 AM, Dicebot wrote: I have likely missed several points but overall it seem pretty clear to me that all requests / concerns have not been addressed and this proposal is not yet ready for another round of

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:08:05PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 09:54:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 8/30/14, 5:18 AM, Dicebot wrote: I have likely missed several points but overall it seem pretty clear to me that all requests / concerns have

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 13:35:57 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: How do the remaining issues break down into QoI that can be deferred to a future release? -- Andrei What is QoI? I am not familiar with this abbreviation Quality of Implementation. And how can one break issues

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:37:15PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 13:35:57 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: How do the remaining issues break down into QoI that can be deferred to a future release? -- Andrei What is QoI? I am not familiar with

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
I agree with Iain, we should respect opinion of people trying to stay away from intrusive ecosystems like GitHub. While probability of someone picking the patches and proceeding with them is low (and we shouldn't give false hopes) there is no place for GitHub or GTFO reaction. It is just rude.

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Jakob Ovrum via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 13:37:17 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 13:35:57 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: How do the remaining issues break down into QoI that can be deferred to a future release? -- Andrei What is QoI? I am not familiar with this

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On 30 Aug 2014 14:05, Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote in message news:mailman.107.1409402768.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... Responses like this aren't particularly useful either. We have

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

2014-08-30 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 02:10:53 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. -- Napoleon Bonaparte True in casual setting, but false in professional field. Incompetence is equivalent to malice there.

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:40:49PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: I agree with Iain, we should respect opinion of people trying to stay away from intrusive ecosystems like GitHub. While probability of someone picking the patches and proceeding with them is low (and we shouldn't give

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Dicebot wrote in message news:mrhmerdjofsrcltlg...@forum.dlang.org... I agree with Iain, we should respect opinion of people trying to stay away from intrusive ecosystems like GitHub. While probability of someone picking the patches and proceeding with them is low (and we shouldn't give

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:08:56 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: Dicebot wrote in message news:mrhmerdjofsrcltlg...@forum.dlang.org... I agree with Iain, we should respect opinion of people trying to stay away from intrusive ecosystems like GitHub. While probability of someone picking the

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:06:55 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: I can't believe you people would waste hours on a useless discussion, when it takes just 5 minutes to generate PR's from the OP's patches: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/939

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 00:09:02 +1000 Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: I'm yet to hear an actual reason why taking the 5 minutes to create a github account is too hard. 'cause i don't want to be a part of github. i'd better eat dirt. signature.asc Description:

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 02:19:39PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:06:55 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: I can't believe you people would waste hours on a useless discussion, when it takes just 5 minutes to generate PR's from the OP's patches:

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Dicebot wrote in message news:xovsaqnanmmgaltip...@forum.dlang.org... It is not hard, it is plain unacceptable for certain people. Call that religious reasons. Using github is similar to our requirement to match the code style when submitting patches. It's non-negotiable, because there's

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:18:55 UTC, Dicebot wrote: It is not hard, it is plain unacceptable for certain people. Call that religious reasons. You should accept bug reports with complete or incomplete patches in order to reach stability. You cannot expect anyone to figure out how to

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:38:10 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote in message news:mailman.120.1409408631.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... 'cause i don't want to be a part of github. i'd better eat dirt. It's a shame that your dislike of github is stronger

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote in message news:mailman.120.1409408631.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... 'cause i don't want to be a part of github. i'd better eat dirt. It's a shame that your dislike of github is stronger than your desire to contribute code.

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote in message news:pmrjlrkkaaiguefnq...@forum.dlang.org... Here is a good reason: «I have no interest in learning github, and I personally don't care if you accept this patch, but here you have it in case you want to improve your system». Here is another good reason:

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:32:01 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: Dicebot wrote in message news:xovsaqnanmmgaltip...@forum.dlang.org... It is not hard, it is plain unacceptable for certain people. Call that religious reasons. Using github is similar to our requirement to match the code

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:32:01 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: Using github is similar to our requirement to match the code style when submitting patches. It's non-negotiable, because there's no good reason not to do it. You just remove those tabs, then get on with it. Here is a good

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread monarch_dodra via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:35:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:32:01 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: Using github is similar to our requirement to match the code style when submitting patches. It's non-negotiable, because there's no good reason not to do

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 00:32:06 +1000 Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: or just not submitting patches. keep complaining about alot of people speaking but not writing the code. good luck with it but i'm off. i'm perfectly comfortable with supporting patches by myself

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:37:54 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: If it takes longer to work out how to submit a pull request than make your patch, your patch probably wasn't worth doing. I don't see any reasonable argument to support this view. A critical patch can be very small. Telling

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Dicebot wrote in message news:hvwtyelwvrsrgvbcq...@forum.dlang.org... No it is not. GitHub is an intrusive closed ecosystem and it is legitimate concern for anyone caring about the open internet. The fact that I have considered D contribution more important than this concern and the fact

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:46:50 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: i'm perfectly comfortable with supporting patches by myself and applying 'em to my local builds. I hope you keep making your patches available online. I am interested in your patches that fix the syntax issues that

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 00:38:16 +1000 Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: It's a shame that your dislike of github is stronger than your desire to contribute code. i wasn't signed any agreements about i have to eat github if i want make D better. i was thinking that

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:50:58 + via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: I hope you keep making your patches available online. I am interested in your patches that fix the syntax issues that D suffer from. I am sure others are too. i'm planning to make website with my patches

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote in message news:imcohxrhmfpkgjbtm...@forum.dlang.org... I don't see any reasonable argument to support this view. A critical patch can be very small. It's an exaggeration, but still usually true. Most patches take some non-trivial work to create and debug, no

Re: Destroying structs (literally)

2014-08-30 Thread Orvid King via Digitalmars-d
On 8/30/2014 4:22 AM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 03:54:41 UTC, Orvid King wrote: On 8/29/2014 2:52 PM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 19:01:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d
ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote in message news:mailman.125.1409410701.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... yet the first answers i got were github or GTFO! note that i wasn't wrote a single word about take this patches or they will rot in bugzilla forever in my original message. just plain

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 15:03:51 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: i'm planning to make website with my patches that fixes those cosmetic issues that can't find their way in mainline. using vibe.d, of course. ;-) i'll publish my build scripts and patchsets on the site and will keep

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 05:58:12PM +0300, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] yet the first answers i got were github or GTFO! note that i wasn't wrote a single word about take this patches or they will rot in bugzilla forever in my original message. just plain info for those who interested.

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d
On 30/08/14 16:38, Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d wrote: It's a shame that your dislike of github is stronger than your desire to contribute code. I'm sorry, that won't wash. It's a given, especially now, that for some people, using these large-scale online social networks is a no-no. Many

Re: Destroying structs (literally)

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 15:18:52 UTC, Orvid King wrote: On 8/30/2014 4:22 AM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 03:54:41 UTC, Orvid King wrote: On 8/29/2014 2:52 PM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: On Friday, 29

Re: Destroying structs (literally)

2014-08-30 Thread Orvid King via Digitalmars-d
On 8/30/2014 10:35 AM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net wrote: The problem is not only dereferencing those pointers (though depending on how the GC works even this might be racy, i.e. the memory location could have been reused already), but that a destructor/finalizer already ran

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 14:41:08 UTC, monarch_dodra wrote: So it's welcome help, but there's still the actual work that needs to be done by someone else: Not only the pull, but the review, sticking with the review, etc... Sure. I can also appreciate that filing a bug is work in

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: On 30/08/14 16:38, Daniel Murphy via Digitalmars-d wrote: It's a shame that your dislike of github is stronger than your desire to contribute code. I'm sorry, that won't wash. It's a given, especially now, that for

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On 30 Aug 2014 15:07, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:40:49PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: I agree with Iain, we should respect opinion of people trying to stay away from intrusive ecosystems like GitHub. While

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 15:25:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: Please don't stop submitting patches. I'll turn them into PRs. Even though everything submitted to Bugzilla is supposed to be public domain, it would be nice to keep authorship information in the commit

gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
Iain, gdmd was in gdc-4.6 but as far as I can tell it is not in gdc-4.9.1. Is gdmd an ex-thing? In a sense I hope so as it required the environment variable $HOME to be set and this is a problem for SCons testing. Basically we have failing tests on gdc-4.6 based machines but not on gdc-4.9.1

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 16:33:12 + David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: Even though everything submitted to Bugzilla is supposed to be public domain, it would be nice to keep authorship information in the commit messages. in my case -- i don't care. i just

Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]

2014-08-30 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2014-08-29 at 11:44 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 I don't want to live on this planet anymore _ ..yet again. But we have

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On 30 Aug 2014 17:47, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Iain, gdmd was in gdc-4.6 but as far as I can tell it is not in gdc-4.9.1. Is gdmd an ex-thing? In a sense I hope so as it required the environment variable $HOME to be set and this is a problem for SCons testing. Basically we

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
Iain, On Sat, 2014-08-30 at 18:07 +0100, Iain Buclaw wrote: […] Yes, gdmd is no longer integrated. Is now an external tool. Thanks muchly for the very rapid answer. OK so gdmd gone from gdc, but I don't see a gdmd package in Debian. Is gdmd not packaged but just a downloadable thing? --

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:47:47 +0100 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: Is gdmd an ex-thing? it is now in it's own repository: https://github.com/D-Programming-GDC/GDMD.git signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On 30 Aug 2014 18:11, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Iain, On Sat, 2014-08-30 at 18:07 +0100, Iain Buclaw wrote: […] Yes, gdmd is no longer integrated. Is now an external tool. Thanks muchly for the very rapid answer. OK so gdmd gone from gdc, but I don't see a gdmd

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 18:20:42 +0100 Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com wrote: I had hoped that someone would rewrite it in D, and a start was made, but never completed (I never saw a PR). funny thing is that i made the exact opposite: wrote kdmd which translates dmd args

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 15:18:34 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote in message news:mailman.125.1409410701.5783.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... yet the first answers i got were github or GTFO! note that i wasn't wrote a single word about take this patches or they

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

2014-08-30 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 16:33:13 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 15:25:59 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: Please don't stop submitting patches. I'll turn them into PRs. Even though everything submitted to Bugzilla is supposed to be public domain, it

One Stop Shop?

2014-08-30 Thread Sativa via Digitalmars-d
I think it would be helpful to have the d lang site host tutorials/lessons on various aspects of D. D is hard to use for certain things like gui's, graphics(ogl, dx, etc), etc... not necessarily because D can't do these things but because the information is not out there. If The D site

Re: gdmd

2014-08-30 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, 2014-08-30 at 20:48 +0300, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] maybe i should write gdmd too, just for completeness sake. ;-) Two alternatives I think: 1. Rewrite it in something other than Perl, D or Python mayhap. 2. Let it pass away into history. -- Russel.

Re: Voting: std.logger

2014-08-30 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 8/30/14, 4:42 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:37:15PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 13:35:57 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: How do the remaining issues break down into QoI that can be deferred to a future

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