Re: [OT] GitHub now supports viewing diffs in split mode

On 9/5/2014 2:41 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 04/09/14 23:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote: It sounds great, but TBH I'm a little disappointed with it: Without horizontal scrolling, it's still a huge step backwards from a dedicated native diff program like Beyond Compare and such. At least they're imp

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 06:23:45 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: I think this thread, and every other discussion of GPL on the net, demonstrate one of my earlier points: GPL is freaking confusing. Yeah, it is probably not a good idea to use GPL if you don't agree with the political views o

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

Am Tue, 02 Sep 2014 07:03:52 + schrieb "Dicebot" : > On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 06:18:27 UTC, Jacob Carlborg > wrote: > > On 01/09/14 20:33, Dicebot wrote: > > > >> Any reason why it can't work for OSX in a same way? Assuming > >> LDC does > >> emit ModuleInfo & Co sections the same way

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 08:39:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: The idea that an external party, that you are not affiliated with, can change the license of an author is extraordinary! Indeed, what if MS buys FSF and releases GPL4? Everyone will be screwed. And probably at at odds wi

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On 5 September 2014 04:20, via Digitalmars-d wrote: > And the following text is recommended to be put in each source file: > > > You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along > with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., > 51 Fra

Re: [OT] If programming languages were weapons

Am Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:29:24 + schrieb "Iain Buclaw" : > In normal fashion, it's missing an entry for D. > > http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons > > I'll let your imaginations do the work. > > > Iain. How can our beloved, can-do-anything C be a rifle that you ca

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 02:23:09 -0400 Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d wrote: > I think this thread, and every other discussion of GPL on the net, > demonstrate one of my earlier points: GPL is freaking confusing. i can't see anything confusing here. v2 and v3 can't be mixed, but any *properly* li

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:26:22 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Indeed, what if MS buys FSF and releases GPL4? Everyone will be screwed. It has to be in the spirit of GPL according to clause 9, so GPL4 has to be aligned with the current FSF philosophies... Well, this is what the author does: gra

Re: [OT] Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:34:23 UTC, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote: No one should really use the 51 Franklin Street reference anymore. This is instead replaced with: If not, see . Then FSF should update their own website: http://www.gnu.org/license

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On 04/09/2014 16:36, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:33:04 +0100 Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d wrote: google://social+coding first link: github. it's enough for me. If it's called a duck, but it doesn't quack like a duck or walk like a duck... -- Bruno Medeiros

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:09:11 +0100 Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d wrote: "social codding" motto was invented by github itself. github positions itself as social network so who am i to argue? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Using D

On 04/09/2014 16:21, Chris wrote: On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 14:19:02 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 26/08/2014 09:46, Chris wrote: The problem was that Java didn't behave as expected on Windows. Things that worked fine on Linux and OS X didn't work on Windows (even simple things like dele

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:18:34 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: "social codding" motto was invented by github itself. github positions itself as social network so who am i to argue? Well, a «social network» is usually used to refer to relationships between people and does not rel

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:27:41 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Only when you think about how people put 5 minutes of a stunning 3D gfx demo into 64 KiB you start to worry about 34 KiB for "Hello World!" again. You meant 4KiB… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCh3Q08HMfs&list=PLA5E2FF8E143DA58C

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:40:28 + via Digitalmars-d wrote: > «online community». Github is an online community: and i can't see any need in "online community" for source code repositories. and talking about "developement": github's wiki and tracker are both crap. they're ok for "me and my cat p

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 07:20:15 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 22:52:46 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2014 7:37 AM, Dicebot wrote: GitHub is an intrusive closed ecosystem and it is legitimate concern for anyone caring about the open internet. How so? The githu

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 12:24:02 UTC, Nameless wrote: On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 07:20:15 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 22:52:46 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/30/2014 7:37 AM, Dicebot wrote: GitHub is an intrusive closed ecosystem and it is legitimate concern

Re: [OT] If programming languages were weapons

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:36:54 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Am Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:29:24 + schrieb "Iain Buclaw" : In normal fashion, it's missing an entry for D. http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons I'll let your imaginations do the work. Iain. How can o

Re: [OT] GitHub now supports viewing diffs in split mode

On 05/09/14 09:51, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Hmm, checking out the demo server, that side-by-side diff still doesn't really compare to the non-HTML ones I've used. On the real ones, the horizontal scrollbar is never hidden below the bottom of the window, all the way down at the bottom of the diffed

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:27:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 04/09/2014 16:21, Chris wrote: On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 14:19:02 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 26/08/2014 09:46, Chris wrote: The problem was that Java didn't behave as expected on Windows. Things that worked fine on

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 13:42:56 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:27:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 04/09/2014 16:21, Chris wrote: On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 14:19:02 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 26/08/2014 09:46, Chris wrote: The problem was that Java didn't

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On 04/09/2014 20:21, Kagamin wrote: It comprises a social network in a sense that every user has his own "diary" - a place to store and share his work, and users can follow and watch diaries they're interested in, and when they get notified on updates in the followed diaries, they instantly go th

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 13:42:56 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:27:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 04/09/2014 16:21, Chris wrote: On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 14:19:02 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote:

Re: Using D

On 9/5/2014 11:42 PM, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: It's not a rant. I'm happier in the D world than in the Java world, that's all. It's only when you step outside of the Java world that you realize who restricted and restrictive it is. For what

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:42:05 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 13:42:56 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:27:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 04/09/2014 16:21, Chris wrote: On Thursday,

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 15:13:02 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On 9/5/2014 11:42 PM, Chris wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: It's not a rant. I'm happier in the D world than in the Java world, that's all. It's only when you step outside of the Java wor

gdc shared library build

Iain, I suspect I have failed to: a) remember something I should know; and b) discover something I should be able to find out from the webverse. However: I am trying to create a shared library. I have DMD and LDC command lines that create a shared object without reporting errors (doesn't mean the

Re: gdc shared library build

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 17:14:30 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: I am trying to create a shared library. I have DMD and LDC command lines that create a shared object without reporting errors (doesn't mean they work though). Huh? If there are any issues with LDC shared libra

Re: CDGC porting: is someone still working on it?

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 05:11:21 + Kagamin via Digitalmars-d wrote: > http://forum.dlang.org/thread/exfrifcfczgjwkudq...@forum.dlang.org thank you, that was the thread i lost. hope Dicebot still working on it (or will publish sources if not). signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: gdc shared library build

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:14:20 +0100 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: > mean they work though). Sadly GDC isn't playing ball with: gdc cannot into shared druntime and phobos yet (and shared libraries at all for that means). there was some work on it recently, but it's still not ready for publ

Re: gdc shared library build

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 17:16 +, David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 17:14:30 UTC, Russel Winder via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > > I am trying to create a shared library. I have DMD and LDC > > command lines > > that create a shared object without reporting er

Re: gdc shared library build

On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 17:16 +, David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 17:14:30 UTC, Russel Winder via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > > I am trying to create a shared library. I have DMD and LDC > > command lines > > that create a shared object without reporting er

Re: gdc shared library build

Am Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:14:20 +0100 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d : > Thus I have to specify forcing lookup in > libphobos2.so. Is this easy? This is the easy part, but you also need a libgphobos2.so first ;-) As ketmar said this is not implemented in GDC yet. I've filed a pull request

Re: Voting: std.logger

On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 15:10:35 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 14:53:17 UTC, Dicebot wrote: If you are going to speak more about abstract performance I am going to simply ignore any of your further posts on topic. I am not abstract. These are very conc

Re: CDGC porting: is someone still working on it?

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 17:23:52 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 05:11:21 + Kagamin via Digitalmars-d wrote: http://forum.dlang.org/thread/exfrifcfczgjwkudq...@forum.dlang.org thank you, that was the thread i lost. hope Dicebot still working on it (or will

Re: Voting: std.logger

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 18:24:01 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Ok, this is much more specific. With a similar concerns in mind I have proposed to add a `log` overload that doesn't have variadic arguments and takes a single pre-formatted string (with file/line/module as default run-time arguments).

Re: CDGC porting: is someone still working on it?

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:20:46 + Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Unfortunately I have had to pause it a bit because of other work > tasks but it is definitely still a priority and I expect to > publish something to play with later this autumn. great news! can't wait to lay my hands on it!

Re: gdc shared library build

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:04:46 +0200 Johannes Pfau via Digitalmars-d wrote: > * There are some unresolved bugs with PIC codegen, 2 test cases fail. and some more bugs i sent to Iain directly by e-mail. one related to PIC and one to optimizer which removes some necessary code. but i believe that thos

Re: Voting: std.logger

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 18:27:12 UTC, Dicebot wrote: P.S. Reason why compile-time format checking can't be added to base API is rather simple - it needs to be at least somewhat similar to one of writefln Hm. My experience with Python for server use tells me that the problem with dynami

Re: String to binary conversion

On 9/3/2014 1:59 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote: To Vladimir: Can we move digitalmars.D.learn to the top of the forums at forum.dlang.org? I would even put it in its separate area on that page with larger font, etc. :) Also, I've just noticed that "Questions about learning D" sounds a little off becaus

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:50:37 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:27:41 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Only when you think about how people put 5 minutes of a stunning 3D gfx demo into 64 KiB you start to worry about 34 KiB for "Hello World!" again. You meant 4

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:34:49 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 04/09/2014 20:21, Kagamin wrote: It comprises a social network in a sense that every user has his own "diary" - a place to store and share his work, and users can follow and watch diaries they're interested in, and when they

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 12:24:02 UTC, Nameless wrote: It is nothing unique for GitHUb I can blame them for though - this is how absolute majority of web services is built these days and I don't see it changing without any government regulations. Does mean I must like it. Government con

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:27:41 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Am Tue, 02 Sep 2014 07:03:52 + schrieb "Dicebot" : Only when you think about how people put 5 minutes of a stunning 3D gfx demo into 64 KiB you start to worry about 34 KiB for "Hello World!" again. This made my day. Anyways ye

Re: Voting: std.logger

On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 at 22:34:30 UTC, Kevin Lamonte wrote: Sounds like a candidate for an attribute, just prefix a function or function call with @trace(level)? I've got a feature request in for just that: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13406 While thinking about it I rea

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 12:24:02 UTC, Nameless wrote: Government control would just mean controlled by corruption. The solution needs to be technological: a distributed github. I have no idea how to do that but I'm sure it's possible. Examples are Tox and Bittorent Sync.

Re: code cleanup in druntime and phobos

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 20:25:34 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 12:24:02 UTC, Nameless wrote: Government control would just mean controlled by corruption. The solution needs to be technological: a distributed github. I have no idea how to do that but I'm sure it's pos

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: You can write DLLs in Java, for example with http://www.excelsiorjet.com/. The fact that the Java reference implementation is a VM, doesn't tie the language to a VM. True, but it is VERY hard to get performance out of it outs

Re: Using D

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: You can write DLLs in Java, for example with http://www.excelsiorjet.com/. The fact that the Java reference implementation is a VM, doesn't tie the language to a VM. Why pick Java if not for JVM? It is mediocre language at most

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

Am Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:38:13 + schrieb "deadalnix" : > On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:50:37 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad > wrote: > > On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 09:27:41 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: > >> Only when you think about how people put 5 minutes of a > >> stunning 3D gfx demo into 64 Ki

Re: "The std.stdio package imports most the standard library" etc.

On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 00:19:43 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 00:10:25 UTC, Abe wrote: Is this roughly the same on all relevant platforms for DMD? Yeah. If you used printf instead of writeln, the size gets down to about 250K (on my linux anyway), which can t

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On 8/31/14, 8:51 PM, Abe wrote: Please note: 502064 bytes!!! [for the curious: 490.296875 kilobytes] The real question is: why does size matter for you? A simple "hello world" program in Go is 2 megabytes. That's four times the size in D. I don't know if people complain about that. I effic

Re: Using D

Am 05.09.2014 23:56, schrieb Dicebot: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 14:18:46 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: You can write DLLs in Java, for example with http://www.excelsiorjet.com/. The fact that the Java reference implementation is a VM, doesn't tie the language to a VM. Why pick Java if not for

Re: Mono corrupted D files

On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 03:04:12 UTC, Etienne Cimon wrote: On 2014-09-03 17:13, AsmMan wrote: Something very strange happened 2/3 days ago. Two of my D files of the project I was working on got all values replaced by 0 (that's what I seen rather D code if I open the file with a hex deb

Re: Mono corrupted D files

On Thursday, 4 September 2014 at 15:52:57 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 03/09/2014 22:13, AsmMan wrote: Something very strange happened 2/3 days ago. Two of my D files of the project I was working on got all values replaced by 0 (that's what I seen rather D code if I open the file with a hex de

Re: Mono corrupted D files

Does anyone knows if the Mono for D is active on this forum? or even knows how can I contact he? I can't find any email/web page... Probably he knows if there's a way to get back this zero-ed files. Get them back by reading from a hex debugger was the closest I did so far but as it just show

Re: Using D

On 9/6/2014 12:32 AM, Chris wrote: "I don't find it restrictive at all (I actually enjoy it; I also enjoy C). As long as you work within its boundaries and use it as it's meant to be used, it works perfectly well." Isn't this statement a bit contradictory :) It's not restrictive as long as yo

What criteria do you take

What criteria do you take into consideration for the choice of a programming language. and why? does not mention what language would be, but what criteria led them to choose.

Re: [OT] If programming languages were weapons

On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 21:45:42 UTC, Brian Schott wrote: On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 at 08:29:25 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: In normal fashion, it's missing an entry for D. http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons I'll let your imaginations do the work. Iain. ht

Re: What criteria do you take

On Saturday, 6 September 2014 at 02:30:50 UTC, Cassio Butrico wrote: What criteria do you take into consideration for the choice of a programming language. and why? does not mention what language would be, but what criteria led them to choose. Expressiveness is king. Preferably both high and l

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Saturday, 6 September 2014 at 00:03:02 UTC, Ary Borenszweig wrote: The real question is: why does size matter for you? I've been told that it does...

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Saturday, 6 September 2014 at 00:03:02 UTC, Ary Borenszweig wrote: The real question is: why does size matter for you? 1. download size for PNaCL/asm.js 2. ease of low level debugging/transparency 3. potential cache pollution 4. embedded programming / SoCs 5. bloat signals loss of control ov

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 19:38:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Friday, 5 September 2014 at 11:50:37 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCh3Q08HMfs&list=PLA5E2FF8E143DA58C That is beyond sanity... I love it. Quite impressive what they can do with algorithmic generator

Re: What criteria do you take

Am 06.09.2014 04:30, schrieb Cassio Butrico: What criteria do you take into consideration for the choice of a programming language. and why? does not mention what language would be, but what criteria led them to choose. Depends. At work, I just use whatever the customer asks for. Programming

Re: why does DMD compile "hello world" to about 500 _kilobytes_ on Mac OS X [x86_64]?!?

Am 06.09.2014 02:03, schrieb Ary Borenszweig: On 8/31/14, 8:51 PM, Abe wrote: Please note: 502064 bytes!!! [for the curious: 490.296875 kilobytes] The real question is: why does size matter for you? A simple "hello world" program in Go is 2 megabytes. That's four times the size in D. I don't