> I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is
> that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same
> or more. With a 'simpler to write' 'quicker to write' language like Java
> (where you don't have to learn things like manual memory mana
Paulo Pinto Wrote:
> Am 01.12.2011 12:59, schrieb Patrick Stewart:
> >> I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is
> >> that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same
> >> or more. With a 'simpler to
Walter Bright Wrote:
> On 12/1/2011 11:59 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
> > (*) RPython is a subset of Python which allows for the creation of
> > native code executables of interpreters, compilers, etc. that are
> > provably faster than hand written C. http://pypy.org/
>
> Provably faster?
>
> I ca
Russel Winder Wrote:
| CPython is written in C but PyPy is written in RPython (*). PyPy is
| about 5 times faster than CPython on most of the performance benchmarks
| CPython has.
CPython is the main implementation and first Python that cameo out. It is still
bleeding edge. I think that counts
How about putting equal effort in keeping existing D users? There is more than
one blogs online of ex D users with some pretty solid arguments why they
abandoned D. And those args are usually not some missing shiny feature X but
feature Y D already has but it is broken.
Just saying focusing on
Walter Bright Wrote:
> On 1/18/2012 1:27 PM, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> > How about putting equal effort in keeping existing D users? There is more
> > than one blogs online of ex D users with some pretty solid arguments why
> > they
> > abandoned D. And those args a
Walter Bright Wrote:
> On 1/18/2012 4:03 PM, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> > I am sorry to see many D community projects and libraries dead as they are
> > targeted for D1 and not portable to D2, or just locked to specific version
> > of
> > D and not transferable to
Walter Bright Wrote:
> On 1/19/2012 2:06 AM, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> > Long story short - I find new things added and premature optimizations The
> > worst enemy of language at the moment. They might look like selling point to
> > you, to me they look like distractions fr
I agree 100% with this, must say, beautifully written essay.
Most ridiculous thing about D is that it breaks so much backward compatibility
that people just give up using it. Decent versioning like this might help
people stick to something.
Wake up, guys, it is 10+ years and *still* it haven't reached some form of
stable release.
Like I sad, engineering
There is one thing missing from developers perspective as far D is concerned:
Not all D users want to be beta testers. But they are all treated in such a way.
That is reason #1 I migrate away from D all my software. It is long process and
tough decision, but after 5 years of tracking D story I a
> OTOH, it may break the community yet again, which we certainly
> don't want, probably even less than breaking code.
> Also, the example of Python with two main stable branches that
> live in parallel is not very encouraging.
Are you kidding? Python should be used as example of how software sho
> OTOH, it may break the community yet again, which we certainly
> don't want, probably even less than breaking code.
> Also, the example of Python with two main stable branches that
> live in parallel is not very encouraging.
Also, check Python website: they recommend python v2 for all new user
Adam Wilson Wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:20:14 -0700, SomeDude
> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, 15 July 2012 at 20:44:01 UTC, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> >>> OTOH, it may break the community yet again, which we certainly don't
> >>> want, probably e
SomeDude Wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 July 2012 at 20:44:01 UTC, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> >> OTOH, it may break the community yet again, which we certainly
> >> don't want, probably even less than breaking code.
> >> Also, the example of Python with two main stable b
bearophile Wrote:
> Patrick Stewart:
>
> > Both languages have programming bugs and bad decisions. Python
> > fix them without disrupting schedule and usability. D says
> > "suck it up for next X years while we fix it" or "You have some
> >
Walter Bright Wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 4:08 PM, Patrick Stewart wrote:
> > Second biggest flaw with D development is premature optimization opsession
> > by
> > large number of devs. "We haven't make it work quite yet as specs define,
> > but
> > lets
bearophile Wrote:
> Patrick Stewart:
>
> > Both languages have programming bugs and bad decisions. Python
> > fix them without disrupting schedule and usability. D says
> > "suck it up for next X years while we fix it" or "You have some
> >
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