Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:13:51 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.u9g0qne2eav...@localhost.localdomain... On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:40:14 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Of course, this is all on XP, Outlook Express v6.00.x. For all I know they may have

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Walter Bright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: OE (at least as of the last time I used it) is much worse than TB, no question about that. One simple matter - you can't archive messages without using the mouse. As bad as Thunderbird is, it is way more productive than OE. What drove me away from OE was the inabili

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.u9g0qne2eav...@localhost.localdomain... > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:40:14 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > >> Of course, this is all on XP, Outlook Express v6.00.x. For all I know >> they >> may have changed things for Vista or 7 (although, after ha

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne5tf$f8...@digitalmars.com... > On 03/12/2010 01:40 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> >> I never really use IMAP, so I'm not sure if this will apply (though I >> assume >> it will), but this works for me: >> >> Move message (email-only): Ctrl-Shift-V, th

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:40:14 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Of course, this is all on XP, Outlook Express v6.00.x. For all I know they may have changed things for Vista or 7 (although, after having actually tried both Vista and 7, they'd have to drag XP from my cold dead hands). OE is gone

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 01:40 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne38s$a8...@digitalmars.com... On 03/12/2010 12:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne1t0$72...@digitalmars.com... On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne38s$a8...@digitalmars.com... > On 03/12/2010 12:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message >> news:hne1t0$72...@digitalmars.com... >>> On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Wow. You know, a lot of people co

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 12:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne1t0$72...@digitalmars.com... On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Wow. You know, a lot of people consider Outlook Express the red-headed stepchild of email/ng clients (largely because of the

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:hne29f$8g...@digitalmars.com... > "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message > news:hne1t0$72...@digitalmars.com... >> On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >>> Wow. You know, a lot of people consider Outlook Express the red-headed >>> stepchild of e

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hne1t0$72...@digitalmars.com... > On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> Wow. You know, a lot of people consider Outlook Express the red-headed >> stepchild of email/ng clients (largely because of the security problems >> that >> were fixed

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 12:27 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Wow. You know, a lot of people consider Outlook Express the red-headed stepchild of email/ng clients (largely because of the security problems that were fixed ages ago). But I use it every day and it doesn't have *anything* like that. OE (at least

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: That sort of thing is a big pet peeve for me too (Maybe I'm just being pessemistic, but it seems to be all too common lately). It's definitely a dominant charactaristic of Mozilla in general though, not just Thunderbird. Literally at least half the time I use FireFox, the

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Walter Bright
Steven Schveighoffer wrote: One thing this does point out -- the first experience with software is the most important. People have no tolerance for bugs in the first usage. Absolutely right.

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Walter Bright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Step 2 is another huge reason of annoyance with both Thunderbird and Opera. As far as I can tell, if they are downloading headers in the background, user actions have bottom priority. I want to see a message, I click, and then I wait and wait and wait. It's like a wo

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:op.u9gum0r0c5u...@leptoc... > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:42 -0600, Nick Sabalausky wrote: > >> "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message >> news:hndpev$2om...@digitalmars.com... >>> >>> Step 2 is another huge reason of annoyance with both Thunderbird and

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:39:42 -0600, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hndpev$2om...@digitalmars.com... Step 2 is another huge reason of annoyance with both Thunderbird and Opera. As far as I can tell, if they are downloading headers in the background, user ac

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hndpev$2om...@digitalmars.com... > > Step 2 is another huge reason of annoyance with both Thunderbird and > Opera. As far as I can tell, if they are downloading headers in the > background, user actions have bottom priority. I want to see a message,

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:08:32 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: NEWSFLASH I swear that right after I sent the message above, I clicked "OK" to download "ALL" those 3 messages and the next thing I saw was this (I wish I was kidding): http://erdani.com/opera-crash.jpg It's not impossibl

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 11:04 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 03/12/2010 10:36 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 03/12/2010 06:55 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:13:13 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks,

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 10:36 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 03/12/2010 06:55 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:13:13 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks, Denis. I'm looking at Opera now and will give it a t

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 03/12/2010 06:55 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:13:13 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks, Denis. I'm looking at Opera now and will give it a try. Unfortunately it shares a number of issues with

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/12/2010 06:55 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:13:13 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks, Denis. I'm looking at Opera now and will give it a try. Unfortunately it shares a number of issues with Thunderbird, among which out-of-sync display: http://erdani.com/op

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-12 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:13:13 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks, Denis. I'm looking at Opera now and will give it a try. Unfortunately it shares a number of issues with Thunderbird, among which out-of-sync display: http://erdani.com/opera-out-of-sync.jpg The message displayed in t

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-11 Thread Walter Bright
Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Same here, I mean who needs two toolbars when there's enough room to put everything in one? Plus place them far from one another so that users never know in which one the button they want to push is and waste time going back and forth... HAHAHAHAAA, I should post

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/11/2010 05:14 AM, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:53:33 +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-11 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
grauzone wrote: > Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: >> The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: >> >> "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of >> tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What >> do we do for version 3?" >> >> ... > > The main reason why I

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:53:33 +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we do for version 3?" "Let's build on all

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hn9e8o$4l...@digitalmars.com... > On 03/10/2010 06:13 PM, grauzone wrote: >> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: >>> The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: >>> >>> "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of >>> tasks, poor focus contro

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote in message news:hna05f$14b...@digitalmars.com... > "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message > news:hn9be6$312...@digitalmars.com... >> The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: >> >> "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of >> tasks, poor focus c

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:hn9be6$312...@digitalmars.com... > The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: > > "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of > tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we > do for version 3?" > > "

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/10/2010 07:22 PM, MIURA Masahiro wrote: On 03/11/2010 09:42 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The main reason why I went back to Thunderbird 2 is that version 3 eats too much of my precious screen space, displaying useless information such as the group a post was posted to. I couldn't find ou

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/10/2010 08:41 PM, sybrandy wrote: Wow...you guys must have the worst luck. I use both Thunderbird 3 and the latest stable Firefox without any of these issues you guys have. Just out of curiosity, are you using the version that came with your distro (assuming non windows/mac) or did you get

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread sybrandy
Wow...you guys must have the worst luck. I use both Thunderbird 3 and the latest stable Firefox without any of these issues you guys have. Just out of curiosity, are you using the version that came with your distro (assuming non windows/mac) or did you get a version from Mozilla? Casey

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread MIURA Masahiro
On 03/11/2010 09:42 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The main reason why I went back to Thunderbird 2 is that version 3 eats too much of my precious screen space, displaying useless information such as the group a post was posted to. I couldn't find out how to get the brief subject-poster one line

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 03/10/2010 06:13 PM, grauzone wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we do for version 3?" ... The main reason wh

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread grauzone
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we do for version 3?" ... The main reason why I went back to Thunderbird 2 is that

Re: [OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Robert Clipsham
On 10/03/10 23:53, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we do for version 3?" "Let's build on all that! We'll make Thunderbi

[OT] Thunderbird 3 vs. 2

2010-03-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
The kick-off meeting for Thunderbird 3: "Thunderbird 2 is quite sluggish, has poor asynchronous execution of tasks, poor focus control, and annoying modal dialogs on error. What do we do for version 3?" "Let's build on all that! We'll make Thunderbird 3 even more sluggish even on the best of