Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread eles
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 17:09:16 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 17:01:36 UTC, Borislav Kosharov I personally just avoid using them at all. That's the danger that roots in the lack of clarity. And, I cannot blame people outside thinking along the same lines about the

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread eles
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 14:12:32 UTC, eles wrote: On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 02:27:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, MattCoder wrote: What I perceived: language should state on those several ambiguous issues (@property was quoted, complex numbers) and tools should ge

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread Dicebot
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 14:12:32 UTC, eles wrote: What I perceived: language should state on those several ambiguous issues (@property was quoted, complex numbers) and tools should get some maturity (the .so thing for one). I think it is a very important moment that is often underestim

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread Dicebot
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 17:01:36 UTC, Borislav Kosharov wrote: Yea, I don't like how you have to write properties in D. I usually write them like this: @property { int myNum() { return _myNum; } void myNum(int value) { _myNum = value; } } I saw that in the

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread Borislav Kosharov
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 14:12:32 UTC, eles wrote: On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 02:27:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, MattCoder wrote: It simply isn't enough to create a great product. I did try. At my job. Basically, answers that I received were like: "it's unfinish

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread eles
On Wednesday, 7 August 2013 at 02:27:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, MattCoder wrote: It simply isn't enough to create a great product. I did try. At my job. Basically, answers that I received were like: "it's unfinished." (they meant language is changing and tools are immat

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-07 Thread Wyatt
On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 23:28:44 UTC, MattCoder wrote: I don't think you should just compare programmers/developers with entrepreneurs like you did. Of course there are programmers who market/promote their own software, but most don't or at least not like an entrepreneur would do. Mayb

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/6/2013 3:24 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 2013-08-06 17:13:19 +, Walter Bright said: On 8/6/2013 5:32 AM, "Luís Marques" " wrote: On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 08:12:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: DrDobbs has always been good to me and my efforts, even in the 1980s. The editors, fir

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, MattCoder wrote: Another example is Steve Jobs, how many games he promoted at Atari? None, on the other hand he promoted the first Apple Computer, but who built that machine was the by the other Steve. Few of us are lucky enough to have a Steve Jobs to promote what we do.

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread MattCoder
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 19:44:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ... I know that people often are reluctant to promote their own stuff because they feel it's immodest. All I can say is get over it! Look at Donald Trump, Steve Jobs, Gene Simmons, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etc. None of them are/were

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 2013-08-06 17:13:19 +, Walter Bright said: On 8/6/2013 5:32 AM, "Luís Marques" " wrote: On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 08:12:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: DrDobbs has always been good to me and my efforts, even in the 1980s. The editors, first Jon Erickson and now Andrew Binstock, are a pl

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/6/2013 5:32 AM, "Luís Marques" " wrote: On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 08:12:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: DrDobbs has always been good to me and my efforts, even in the 1980s. The editors, first Jon Erickson and now Andrew Binstock, are a pleasure to work with. DrDobbs is a great way to reach

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Luís.Marques
On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 08:12:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: DrDobbs has always been good to me and my efforts, even in the 1980s. The editors, first Jon Erickson and now Andrew Binstock, are a pleasure to work with. DrDobbs is a great way to reach a wider programming audience. How does it

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread eles
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 19:44:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Throwing code up on github isn't good enough. Expecting people to read the source code to figure out who/what/where/etc is never going to work. No pun intendended, but this is also why I fought for a better changelog at that time.

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/5/2013 11:01 PM, qznc wrote: You seem to like DrDobbs for publishing your articles. How are they? DrDobbs has always been good to me and my efforts, even in the 1980s. The editors, first Jon Erickson and now Andrew Binstock, are a pleasure to work with. DrDobbs is a great way to reach a

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread qznc
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 19:44:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: This is a bit of a generic reply to a constant theme I see here. It pains me to see a lot of great D projects languish in obscurity, and often the author(s) eventually get frustrated with that and abandon them. The problem is tha

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Tuesday, August 06, 2013 05:44:25 Jeremy DeHaan wrote: > I promise I will write some stuff and post in the announce > section once I have a little more time.(classes are currently > destroying me) Then switch to structs. ;) - Jonathan M Davis

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/5/2013 8:44 PM, Jeremy DeHaan wrote: I think my problem is that there are so many people in the D community that I would consider MUCH better at software development than myself, so I get pretty self conscious when it comes to me talking about my stuff. You're right though, I should definite

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Jeremy DeHaan
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 19:44:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: This is a bit of a generic reply to a constant theme I see here. It pains me to see a lot of great D projects languish in obscurity, and often the author(s) eventually get frustrated with that and abandon them. The problem is tha

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/5/2013 2:14 PM, Borislav Kosharov wrote: Wow Walter, your post really motivated me right now. For a few days I have this idea about an next gen OS. I only told it to my friends and I haven't written it anywhere(but I was planing to). Now I will probably create a blog and start writing progra

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Walter Bright
On 8/5/2013 2:51 PM, Gambler wrote: On a related note, I almost never hear about D projects on Hacker News. It's a good place for language promition. Heck, even vanilla github project get up-voted there if they have some kind of cool factor to them. I've posted a number of articles about D on

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Meta
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 21:51:56 UTC, Gambler wrote: On 8/5/2013 3:44 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Throwing code up on github isn't good enough. On a related note, I almost never hear about D projects on Hacker News. It's a good place for language promition. Heck, even vanilla github project

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Gambler
On 8/5/2013 3:44 PM, Walter Bright wrote: > Throwing code up on github isn't good enough. On a related note, I almost never hear about D projects on Hacker News. It's a good place for language promition. Heck, even vanilla github project get up-voted there if they have some kind of cool factor to

Re: Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Borislav Kosharov
On Monday, 5 August 2013 at 19:44:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: This is a bit of a generic reply to a constant theme I see here. It pains me to see a lot of great D projects languish in obscurity, and often the author(s) eventually get frustrated with that and abandon them. The problem is tha

Evangelizing Your Cool Product

2013-08-05 Thread Walter Bright
This is a bit of a generic reply to a constant theme I see here. It pains me to see a lot of great D projects languish in obscurity, and often the author(s) eventually get frustrated with that and abandon them. The problem is that "Field of Dreams", i.e. "build it and they will come" is a Hol