Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-21 Thread Peter Alexander
On 19/12/10 4:41 PM, Caligo wrote: You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit this to make money. Game companies use all kinds of psychology in their games to

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-21 Thread Bruno Medeiros
On 19/12/2010 14:21, Ary Borenszweig wrote: Seeing the enemy being literally eaten by hundreds of upgraded zerglings has no comparison. :-) I'm more of a Protoss guy myself... Reaver drop FTW! (I'll need to re-evaluate things with Starcraft II) BTW, its funny to try to make some parallels

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Max Samukha
On 12/20/2010 08:43 AM, Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: Many games are like drugs. Not for me. I get bored with games. You don't get bored with drugs. You didn't play StarCraft when you were a teenager.

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Max Samukha
On 12/19/2010 09:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Assuming you meant that as a sarcastic counter-example: There may be ways in which they make life suck less, but *overall*, they're generally considered to make life suck *more*. So the make life suck less rule still holds. Although, if you

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Kagamin
Caligo Wrote: You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit this to make money. Game companies use all kinds of psychology in their games to keep you playing

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/20/10 04:25, Max Samukha wrote: On 12/19/2010 09:48 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Assuming you meant that as a sarcastic counter-example: There may be ways in which they make life suck less, but *overall*, they're generally considered to make life suck *more*. So the make life suck

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/19/10 14:00, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.30.1292776925.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Kagamin
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: Yea, and another thing is the matter of art in general: If you're an ultra-utilitarian like Christopher seems to be (and even most programmers aren't ultra-utilitarian), then art can be seen as lacking significant contribution to society. I think, the effect of art

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Kagamin
Christopher Nicholson-Sauls Wrote: That's a (sadly common) problem with people, though; not with games. The same can be validly stated for television (which I usually avoid, anyhow), sports, over-reliance on restaurants (a personal pet peeve), and checking the D newsgroups... oh shi- I hope

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/19/10 14:52, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Daniel Gibson metalcae...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.37.1292790264.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote: You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Max Samukha spam...@d-coding.com wrote in message news:ien42a$26q...@digitalmars.com... On 12/20/2010 08:43 AM, Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: Many games are like drugs. Not for me. I get bored with games. You don't get bored with drugs. You didn't play StarCraft when you were a

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-20 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Christopher Nicholson-Sauls ibisbase...@gmail.com wrote in message news:ienfgr$2st...@digitalmars.com... On 12/19/10 14:52, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Interesting. I don't think I would go so far as to claim that WoW was unethical...just uninteresting ;) But that's just me. This is at least one

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/18/10 14:12, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message news:iej46p$42...@digitalmars.com... Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.5.1292651710.4588.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... IMO there is no honor in game development as it contributes

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread bearophile
Christopher Nicholson-Sauls: So no, games in and of themselves don't contribute anything -- if you don't count fun, and honestly, I do count it -- but they have been a driving force behind a lot of innovation. Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours every day *playing* World of warcraft :-)

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/19/10 04:19, bearophile wrote: Christopher Nicholson-Sauls: So no, games in and of themselves don't contribute anything -- if you don't count fun, and honestly, I do count it -- but they have been a driving force behind a lot of innovation. Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Max Samukha
On 12/18/2010 10:03 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Caligoiteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.5.1292651710.4588.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... IMO there is no honor in game development as it contributes nothing to society. I've rarely played any, I gotta jump on this as being a

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread spir
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:19:50 -0500 bearophile bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours every day *playing* World of warcraft :-) rather The Battle for Wesnoth ;-) Denis -- -- -- -- -- -- -- vit esse estrany ☣ spir.wikidot.com

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Ary Borenszweig
Seeing the enemy being literally eaten by hundreds of upgraded zerglings has no comparison. :-)

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Patrick Down
bearophile Wrote: Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours every day *playing* World of warcraft :-) He does however write games sometimes: http://www.classicempire.com/

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Caligo
You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit this to make money. Game companies use all kinds of psychology in their games to keep you playing as long as

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
Patrick Down wrote: bearophile Wrote: Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours every day *playing* World of warcraft :-) He does however write games sometimes: http://www.classicempire.com/ I've never played WoW, but I have played Empire, and let me tell you, it wastes a lot more than 6

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread bearophile
Caligo: Game companies use all kinds of psychology in their games to keep you playing as long as possible. That is why to me there is no honor in game development. Also, I never said it's worthless; they make tons of money, and that's almost always at the expense of people like you. Many

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Max Samukha spam...@d-coding.com wrote in message news:iekuac$qr...@digitalmars.com... On 12/18/2010 10:03 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Caligoiteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.5.1292651710.4588.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... IMO there is no honor in game development as it

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.30.1292776925.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Christopher Nicholson-Sauls ibisbase...@gmail.com wrote in message news:iekles$79...@digitalmars.com... On 12/18/10 14:12, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message news:iej46p$42...@digitalmars.com... Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Walter Bright
Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Patrick Down wrote: bearophile Wrote: Yet I hope Walter will not waste 6 hours every day *playing* World of warcraft :-) He does however write games sometimes: http://www.classicempire.com/ I've never played WoW, but I have played Empire, and let me tell you, it

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Daniel Gibson
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote: You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games.  It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit this to make money.  Game companies use all

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Daniel Gibson metalcae...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.37.1292790264.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote: You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message news:ielrdu$2p8...@digitalmars.com... Daniel Gibson metalcae...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.37.1292790264.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote: You are absolutely right;

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread so
You are absolutely right; life sucks for many people, and that's why some of them choose to play video games. It gives them a chance to escape reality, and game companies exploit this to make money. Game companies use all kinds of psychology in their games to keep you playing as long as

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread so
Games as worthless as movies and music or any kind of art. -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-19 Thread Walter Bright
bearophile wrote: Many games are like drugs. Not for me. I get bored with games. You don't get bored with drugs.

Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.5.1292651710.4588.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... IMO there is no honor in game development as it contributes nothing to society. I've rarely played any, I gotta jump on this as being a giant load of pretentous bullshit. First of

Re: Game development is worthless? WTF? (Was: Why Ruby?)

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message news:iej46p$42...@digitalmars.com... Caligo iteronve...@gmail.com wrote in message news:mailman.5.1292651710.4588.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... IMO there is no honor in game development as it contributes nothing to society. I've rarely played any,