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Am 21.04.2010 03:18, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
I use Haxe for any and all PHP and Flash development and I will *never*
go
back to direct PHP or ActionScript. Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER!
[snip]
D, or at
Am 21.04.2010 03:18, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
I use Haxe for any and all PHP and Flash development and I will *never* go
back to direct PHP or ActionScript. Never, ever, ever, ever, EVER!
[snip]
D, or at least something closer to D, would be FAR better than Haxe, though.
In fact even though I
Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:26:18 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
And even if
you really did need client-scripting (and the vast majority of the time,
you don't), there are better ways to distribute cross-platform code
across a network.
Really, such as? The largest problem by far has been to increase
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:48:53AM +, retard wrote:
What else do we have?
If I had my way, I'd just be rid of the virtual machine altogether. Simply run
native programs as a restricted user. (Indeed, I'd run the browser itself
with that restricted user, then let it create whatever processes
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:27:27 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:48:53AM +, retard wrote:
What else do we have?
If I had my way, I'd just be rid of the virtual machine altogether.
Simply run native programs as a restricted user. (Indeed, I'd run the
browser itself with
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 05:36:30PM +, retard wrote:
It gives different kinds of flexibility. The advantage of Javascript is
easy interfacing with the DOM, the html document and all kinds of powers
the browser is providing.
Yeah, this came to mind only after I made the last post. The best
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:06:19 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 05:36:30PM +, retard wrote:
It gives different kinds of flexibility. The advantage of Javascript is
easy interfacing with the DOM, the html document and all kinds of
powers the browser is providing.
Yeah,
On 4/24/2010 09:27, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
If I had my way, I'd just be rid of the virtual machine altogether. Simply run
native programs as a restricted user. (Indeed, I'd run the browser itself
with that restricted user, then let it create whatever processes it
wants, possibly stripping the
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 01:53:10PM -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
Congratulations, you just invented ActiveX. I hope you like your
platform lockdown and your security vulnerabilities.
ActiveX controls don't run as a limited user account. That's the key here:
the entire browser should be running as
I keep posting this link here, and it keeps being ignored, despite I think it
can become one important usage of D:
http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/
Bye,
bearophile
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:53:10 -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
On 4/24/2010 09:27, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
If I had my way, I'd just be rid of the virtual machine altogether.
Simply run native programs as a restricted user. (Indeed, I'd run the
browser itself with that restricted user, then let it create
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:29:55 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 01:53:10PM -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
Congratulations, you just invented ActiveX. I hope you like your
platform lockdown and your security vulnerabilities.
ActiveX controls don't run as a limited user account.
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 08:32:25PM +, retard wrote:
A middleware is about building the infrastructure. Later (ideally) there
are no platform specific costs involved.
We have that already. I write programs for Linux and release them on
Windows by expending no effort beyond typing make
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 01:53:10PM -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
Congratulations, you just invented ActiveX. I hope you like your
platform lockdown and your security
On Apr 24, 10 18:04, Justin Johansson wrote:
KennyTM~ wrote:
On Apr 22, 10 14:52, Lutger wrote:
I don't think javascript is suited for this purpose, but perhaps
silverlight
/ moonlight is. A D compiler targetting the CoreCLR could be big,
depending
on how this platform takes off.
D.NET?
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 08:41:07PM +, retard wrote:
How does this prevent platform lockdown?
It doesn't. I don't particularly care.
I haven't really seen the native client system used in any crucial real
world site.
I'm referring to how they run browser components all as separate
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 04:54:17PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Maybe I'm just naive about this, but it would seem to me that it should be
possible to have a single compiled-native-code format that could be framed
by the client to work on the whatever the client's OS is.
It probably could
Nick Sabalausky:
Also, a web server could be set up to automatically convert or cross-compile
to whatever CPU or OS was requested by the client (and then internally
cached, of course). Probably involving LLVM or something.
It's called pNaCl (PDF file):
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 04:26:55PM -0400, bearophile wrote:
I keep posting this link here, and it keeps being ignored, despite I
think it can become one important usage of
On 4/24/2010 14:29, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 01:53:10PM -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
Congratulations, you just invented ActiveX. I hope you like your
platform lockdown and your security vulnerabilities.
ActiveX controls don't run as a limited user account. That's the key
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:17:25PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
it forces you to use their tool chain the whole way
Check out the README:
http://nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/native_client/README.html
Notice how the instructions don't say to use gcc and gdb, but instead
nacl-gcc
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 04:29:17PM -0600, Rainer Deyke wrote:
Running the browser as a restricted user is good (and indeed necessary),
but when you're running native code, you're only as secure your OS and
CPU allow. Running on a VM provides an additional layer of insulation.
Sure, that's
Justin Johansson wrote:
KennyTM~ wrote:
On Apr 22, 10 14:52, Lutger wrote:
I don't think javascript is suited for this purpose, but perhaps
silverlight
/ moonlight is. A D compiler targetting the CoreCLR could be big,
depending
on how this platform takes off.
D.NET?
D.NET (D.CLR),
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:17:25PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
it forces you to use their tool chain the whole way
Check out the README:
Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:38:57 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
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my current thinking seems to be aligning with others that JavaScript
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:35:03 -0400, bearophile wrote:
Nick Sabalausky:
I use Haxe for any and all PHP and Flash development
I have an OT question: Haxe and similar things add another layer between
the code you
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Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:38:57 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
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I don't think javascript is suited for this purpose, but perhaps silverlight
/ moonlight is. A D compiler targetting the CoreCLR could be big, depending
on how this platform takes off.
On Apr 22, 10 14:52, Lutger wrote:
I don't think javascript is suited for this purpose, but perhaps silverlight
/ moonlight is. A D compiler targetting the CoreCLR could be big, depending
on how this platform takes off.
D.NET?
Nick Sabalausky:
Does that answer your question?
Yes, thank you,
bearophile
A new moon (downunder) brings time for new D discussion topic :-)
Myself having a long time interest in webapp development and given
that the web client platform is tied to having only JavaScript
ubiquitously available (i.e. in the browser) and having tried a zillion
OOP wrappers and
On 4/20/2010 8:50 AM, Justin Johansson wrote:
A new moon (downunder) brings time for new D discussion topic :-)
Myself having a long time interest in webapp development and given
that the web client platform is tied to having only JavaScript
ubiquitously available (i.e. in the browser) and
Eric Poggel wrote:
So I guess the thrust of my topic tonight is, could D somehow reinvent
itself to fame and fortune in the high-level-language-for-JavaScript
space?
Justin Johansson
I've done a significant amount of web-app development myself, but to me
this seems like a bad idea. If I
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my current thinking seems to be aligning with others that JavaScript
should be seen as the new binary, albeit in text form, that HLLs should
be compiling down to for webapp development.
Also there is
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 09:18:45PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
I believe *very* strongly in using a REAL language that then gets compiled
down to worthless crap like PHP, ActionScript, etc., whenever such worthless
crap platforms are necessary. Which is, of course, necessary FAR too often
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my current thinking seems to be aligning with others that JavaScript
should be seen as the new binary, albeit in text form,
Nick Sabalausky:
I use Haxe for any and all PHP and Flash development
I have an OT question: Haxe and similar things add another layer between the
code you write and the program that gets run. Isn't this extra distance (and
the semantic adaptations it requires) cause of problems? For example
bearophile bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote in message
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Nick Sabalausky:
I use Haxe for any and all PHP and Flash development
I have an OT question: Haxe and similar things add another layer between
the code you write and the program that gets run. Isn't
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On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 09:18:45PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
I believe *very* strongly in using a REAL language that then gets
compiled
down to worthless crap like PHP,
On 4/20/2010 6:26 PM, Justin Johansson wrote:
Eric Poggel wrote:
So I guess the thrust of my topic tonight is, could D somehow reinvent
itself to fame and fortune in the high-level-language-for-JavaScript
space?
Justin Johansson
I've done a significant amount of web-app development myself,
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:16:12PM -0400, Eric Poggel wrote:
I should've also clarified that I'm usually more productive in
JavaScript for small projects because it usually takes less code for the
same thing, but more so in D for large ones due to the benefits of
static typing.
I've been
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