Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Walter Bright
Jean Crystof wrote: So, what's the main reason D3 plans are unknown? Have you got a list of realistic new features? Is it lack of manpower? Too early to release anything new now that D2 isn't in serious production use yet? D2 first.

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Jean Crystof
Walter Bright Wrote: > Caligo wrote: > > If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? > > D3 plans are a complete unknown at the moment. So, what's the main reason D3 plans are unknown? Have you got a list of realistic new features? Is it lack of manpower? Too early to

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Walter Bright
Caligo wrote: If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? D3 plans are a complete unknown at the moment. And why is work still being done on the D1 compiler? Shouldn't it be marked deprecated so people stop using it and move to D2? Since there are many breaking c

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Gour
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:02:51 -0500 >> "Jeff" == Jeff Nowakowski wrote: Hi Jeff, Jeff> Hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine. How about discussing the gory Jeff> problems with const, and discussing the true state of the Jeff> language at the next D talk? If you're going to bash Go Jeff> presentati

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/20/10 6:02 AM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 12/20/2010 02:48 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Yes, how about it? Is this a murder investigation? I have a hard time figuring out what is the ultimate purpose of spelunking my past statements to look for inconsistencies. Hypocrisy is a pet peeve

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 12/20/2010 02:48 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Yes, how about it? Is this a murder investigation? I have a hard time figuring out what is the ultimate purpose of spelunking my past statements to look for inconsistencies. Hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine. How about discussing the gory probl

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-20 Thread Walter Bright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: The main issue is perceived value. Books are not T-shirts as significant time would have to be spent on reading them. Say I had 40 people in the audience and 40 books. Then it would have been like passing around marketing samples of no perceived value. Right. If you

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/19/10 9:19 PM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 12/19/2010 01:44 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I don't think it's worth investigating this, but at any rate my thinking has been that finalizing TDPL would finalize the specification of D2. Of course, ideally the compiler would follow the specific

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/19/10 1:20 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:ielekh$1qg...@digitalmars.com... Having a major publisher decide to take risks and invest money in producing at professional quality and marketing a book on a up-and-coming language is a clear signal that t

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 12/19/2010 01:44 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I don't think it's worth investigating this, but at any rate my thinking has been that finalizing TDPL would finalize the specification of D2. Of course, ideally the compiler would follow the specification as closely as possible, but with the nu

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:ielekh$1qg...@digitalmars.com... > > Having a major publisher decide to take risks and invest money in > producing at professional quality and marketing a book on a up-and-coming > language is a clear signal that they believe in the success of the boo

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Gour
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:35:52 +0100 >> "Andrej" == Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Andrej> Andrej> And if you get stuck with something don't hesitate asking about Sure. Thanks. btw, it would be nice to have code examples from TDPL to save some typing. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croati

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 12/19/10, Gour wrote: > > Now, I'm happy being assured that D(2) can be learnt using TDPL. :-) And if you get stuck with something don't hesitate asking about it in d-learn!

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Gour
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:14:08 -0600 >> "Andrei" == Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Andrei> The thing is, however, that printed books still carry more Andrei> authority than online ones, even though clearly there are many Andrei> online books that compare favorably with the average printed Andrei> bo

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/19/10 11:00 AM, Caligo wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu mailto:seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org>> wrote: On 12/19/10 9:57 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 12/19/10, lurkermailto:l...@lurk.net>> wrote: Does this mean that Facebook is not pa

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Caligo
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu < seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org> wrote: > On 12/19/10 9:57 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: > >> On 12/19/10, lurker wrote: >> >>> Does this mean that Facebook is not paying you that well, after all? I >>> could >>> >>> donate like $82 to you to giv

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/19/10 9:57 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 12/19/10, lurker wrote: Does this mean that Facebook is not paying you that well, after all? I could donate like $82 to you to give away three more books. No need to mention my name, after all I'm just helping the poor. I'm pretty sure it means

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 12/19/10, lurker wrote: > Does this mean that Facebook is not paying you that well, after all? I could > donate like $82 to you to give away three more books. No need to mention my > name, after all I'm just helping the poor. > I'm pretty sure it means he got a couple of free books from the pu

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-19 Thread lurker
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote: > On 12/18/10 3:44 PM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: > > On 12/18/2010 03:16 PM, Don wrote: > >> Jeff Nowakowski wrote: > >>> D2 has *never* been officially released (like D1 was), though its > >>> release was supposed to coincide with the release of Andrei's book. > >> > >> Wh

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 12/18/10 3:44 PM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 12/18/2010 03:16 PM, Don wrote: Jeff Nowakowski wrote: D2 has *never* been officially released (like D1 was), though its release was supposed to coincide with the release of Andrei's book. Where did you get that idea? I've never heard it before.

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Jeff Nowakowski" wrote in message news:ieja3o$gf...@digitalmars.com... > On 12/18/2010 03:16 PM, Don wrote: >> Jeff Nowakowski wrote: >>> D2 has *never* been officially released (like D1 was), though its >>> release was supposed to coincide with the release of Andrei's book. >> >> Where did you

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 12/18/2010 03:16 PM, Don wrote: Jeff Nowakowski wrote: D2 has *never* been officially released (like D1 was), though its release was supposed to coincide with the release of Andrei's book. Where did you get that idea? I've never heard it before. (Genuine question, I'd like to know where tha

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Don
Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 12/18/2010 07:55 AM, Caligo wrote: If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? And why is work still being done on the D1 compiler? Shouldn't it be marked deprecated so people stop using it and move to D2? D1 is stable and only bug fixes

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Caligo" wrote in message news:mailman.4.1292676932.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... > > Also, do you know if there are any plans to standardize the language? > There aren't a bunch of diverging implementations of D, so standardization isn't currently needed.

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread bearophile
Caligo: > If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? This is the desire (but some details may be not fully backward compatible). > And why is work still being done on the D1 compiler? Bug fixes, mostly. > Also, do you know if there are any plans to standardize the

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 12/18/2010 07:55 AM, Caligo wrote: If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? And why is work still being done on the D1 compiler? Shouldn't it be marked deprecated so people stop using it and move to D2? D1 is stable and only bug fixes are being applied to it.

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Caligo
If there is going to be a D3, will it be backwards compatible with D2? And why is work still being done on the D1 compiler? Shouldn't it be marked deprecated so people stop using it and move to D2? Also, do you know if there are any plans to standardize the language? Is the specification comple

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Lutger Blijdestijn
Gour wrote: > Hello, > > Seeing all the threads here about improving D(2) syntax for different > features of the language, I just wonder if it's possible to learn D(2) > language which is so much in flux by using TDPL as reference? > > Now I may have some time to learn D(2), but wonder when will

Re: is it possible to learn D(2)?

2010-12-18 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday 18 December 2010 01:14:19 Gour wrote: > Hello, > > Seeing all the threads here about improving D(2) syntax for different > features of the language, I just wonder if it's possible to learn D(2) > language which is so much in flux by using TDPL as reference? > > Now I may have some tim