Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:08:02 +0300 >> "Vladimir" == wrote: Vladimir> As you can see, in many places Git is the antithesis to the Vladimir> "Make correct and common things easy, make shooting yourself Vladimir> in the foot hard" principle. However, I don't think this is a Vladimir> reason not

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:17:02 +0300 >> "Vladimir" == wrote: Vladimir> 2) Fire up git gui git and gui? Come on... Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: CDBF17CA signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:40:56 +0300, Gour wrote: git and gui? Come on... Hey! I know git gui (and gitk) isn't the all-singing, all-dancing, command-line-shell-replacement (nor do I think that's even possible), but what it can do, it does well. -- Best regards, Vladimir

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:33:54 +0300, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: The only true advantage that Git has over Mercurial is the staging area, and even that is a two edged sword: IMO it should not be enabled by default since it helps people to lose data. And the same functionality can be emulat

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: >> Anyway, I don't see any point in using Git since Mercurial can sync >> just fine with a Git repository :) > > Well, the topic at hand was which VCS to use for an open-source project. > Using your argument, there is no reason to use Mercurial over Git, > because Mer

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Gour" wrote in message news:20101027210750.61681...@atmarama.noip.me... > >Ahh, statistics...I'm the one in 5.14% minority class: > >http://tinyurl.com/y5bzcfh Readable version of the link: http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=11 Wow, I had no idea I was in such a large maj

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:29:02 +0300, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Last year, someone convinced me to give git another chance on Windows with the same argument ("was bad, made a lot of progress, is now very good"). My conclusion was: "was *very* bad, made a lot of progress, still a long way

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:08:02 +0300, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: * Operations such as undoing your last commit are too cryptic (git reset --hard HEAD^) Sorry, that's probably a bad example, since it alters history (if you already pushed the current commit it'll cause problems). The "problem

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:54:59 +0300, Jérôme M. Berger > wrote: > >> >> However, count on having trouble if you plan to use git on Windows >> (including data loss and data corruption)... > > I use Git on Windows. Never had any problems. :D > > Yes, I know Git was b

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:57:39 +0300, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Gour wrote: Moreover, I believe that Git is over-hyped mostly due to its performance and I prefer design over raw speed. Actually, I believe git is over-hyped because it was initially written by someone named "Linus Torv

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:18:43 +0300, klickverbot wrote: On 10/27/10 7:09 PM, Gour wrote: Otoh, Git […] stands too much on the way […] Could you give any examples for this? While I can understand people who think that the raw power Git makes it too easy to shoot yourself in the foot (I pers

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:54:59 +0300, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: However, count on having trouble if you plan to use git on Windows (including data loss and data corruption)... I use Git on Windows. Never had any problems. :D Yes, I know Git was bad on Windows. Was :) -- Best regards,

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Gour wrote: > Moreover, I believe that Git is over-hyped mostly due to its performance and > I prefer design over raw speed. > Actually, I believe git is over-hyped because it was initially written by someone named "Linus Torvalds" (never mind that he himself called it a dirty hack thrown

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:37:58 +0300, klickverbot wrote: > >> http://www.ohloh.net/repositories/compare > > Woah! I knew Hg's user base was smaller than Git's, but I never expected > the difference to be so huge. That removes any doubt I had whether to > consider Hg for

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:37:58 +0300, klickverbot wrote: http://www.ohloh.net/repositories/compare Woah! I knew Hg's user base was smaller than Git's, but I never expected the difference to be so huge. That removes any doubt I had whether to consider Hg for any of my own projects. Another

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:18:43 +0200 >> "klickverbot" == klickverbot wrote: klickverbot> Could you give any examples for this? man git It's simply too complex with huge command set which makes it too difficult to understand what's going on 'under the hood'. klickverbot> While I can understan

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:37:58 +0200 >> "klickverbot" == klickverbot wrote: klickverbot> I guess it's not really representative (nor scientific, of klickverbot> course), but here are a few numbers: Ahh, statistics...I'm the one in 5.14% minority class: http://tinyurl.com/y5bzcfh :-) Sincer

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread klickverbot
On 10/27/10 7:40 PM, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: OTOH, Bazaar *is* one of the mainstream DVCSs (along with SVN, Mercurial and Git). I guess it's not really representative (nor scientific, of course), but here are a few numbers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/995636/popularity-of-gi

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread klickverbot
On 10/27/10 7:09 PM, Gour wrote: Otoh, Git […] stands too much on the way […] Could you give any examples for this? While I can understand people who think that the raw power Git makes it too easy to shoot yourself in the foot (I personally don't think so, but that's a different topic), I gu

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > While I agree that it doesn't really matter what anyone uses for > personal projects, I wouldn't choose anything non-mainstream for an > open-source project where community involvement is important. For > example, I think that moving DMD/Phobos/DRuntime from SVN to > Baz

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:07:52 +0300, Gour wrote: Try https://code.launchpad.net/bzr Ah, that's quite nice. Well, it's question of bitbucket's interface, nothing about git. And I wasn't talking about Git by itself. If you look at http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ , GitHub is listed as one o

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:36:47 +0300 >> "Vladimir" == wrote: Vladimir> Launchpad: Looking at https://launchpad.net/bzr I see Vladimir> absolutely no mention of branching/forking. Try https://code.launchpad.net/bzr Vladimir> Bitbucket: http://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/stable/descendants Vladimi

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:58:56 +0300, Gour wrote: I believe you didn't try much of the competition like Launchpad, Bitbucket, Gitorious etc. You're right, I haven't used them for my own projects, but I did look at them briefly. What you are describing is neither very special nor specific

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:56:51 +0300 >> "Vladimir" == "Vladimir Panteleev" wrote: Vladimir> IIRC even those commands differ across these DVCSes. In some details, yes. Vladimir> Anyway, when you want to do something non-trivial Vladimir> (branching/merging/history editing) you're forced to con

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:31:49 +0300, Gour wrote: I think that any capable developer can quickly grasp any of the 'standard' (bzr,hg,git,mtn) DVCS-es (darcs is a little bit different considering it's patch-oriented) and can do: dvcs init; dvcs pull; dvcs commit; dvcs push; easily. IIRC even tho

Re: [OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Gour
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:02:06 +0300 >> "Vladimir" == wrote: Vladimir> Could someone please explain to me why is a VCS other than Vladimir> the three big ones (SVN, Git and HG) is worth using for an Vladimir> open-source project such as this? Maybe it's personal preference...I still find darcs

[OT] DVCS

2010-10-27 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:42:32 +0300, Russel Winder wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 10:20 -0700, Bill Baxter wrote: I'm not a huge fan of Bazaar :-p , Hummm... May I ask why? Could someone please explain to me why is a VCS other than the three big ones (SVN, Git and HG) is worth using for a