On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 at 02:24:32 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
Yes, and one can do it with a global flag too. The lack of this
ability is really a terrible omission for D2.
We have the flag - GCX.running, it's just not exposed.
So? Is anyone working on these features?
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:12:39 -0500, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2014-02-16 21:51, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Right, but there is no obligation to follow this pattern. One is free to
just not do anything, and the GC will clean up your garbage.
I was replying to the issue that it's not possible
Am 17.02.2014 21:40, schrieb inout:
On Monday, 17 February 2014 at 06:40:54 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 23:40:58 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
On 2/16/14, 10:18, Elie Morisse wrote:
IMHO an approach that would not involve making a binary choice between
"full D" and "minimal D
On Monday, 17 February 2014 at 06:40:54 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 23:40:58 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
On 2/16/14, 10:18, Elie Morisse wrote:
IMHO an approach that would not involve making a binary
choice between
"full D" and "minimal D" is to add an option to make the
li
On 2014-02-16 21:51, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Right, but there is no obligation to follow this pattern. One is free to
just not do anything, and the GC will clean up your garbage.
I was replying to the issue that it's not possible to know in the
destructor of a class if it's destroyed by t
On 2/17/14, 0:40, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 23:40:58 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
On 2/16/14, 10:18, Elie Morisse wrote:
IMHO an approach that would not involve making a binary choice between
"full D" and "minimal D" is to add an option to make the linker strip
druntime and Phob
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 23:40:58 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
On 2/16/14, 10:18, Elie Morisse wrote:
IMHO an approach that would not involve making a binary choice
between
"full D" and "minimal D" is to add an option to make the
linker strip
druntime and Phobos' shared libraries (or any shared l
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 16:18:13 UTC, Elie Morisse wrote:
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I think it's about time I gave back to this wonderful
community.
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
rules
On 2/16/14, 10:18, Elie Morisse wrote:
IMHO an approach that would not involve making a binary choice between
"full D" and "minimal D" is to add an option to make the linker strip
druntime and Phobos' shared libraries (or any shared library, and it's
not specific to D btw) to the "lowest common
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:18:12 -0500, Elie Morisse
wrote:
Isn't this a bit premature?
The idea is controversial, if you read the thread Andrei and Walter
wanted to postpone it:
I convinced Walter of my view on this, so he won't work on it. I trust
that at least between the two of us we c
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 06:46:53 -0500, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 11:43:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
In D1 Tango added a new method, "dispose", to Object. This method is
called when an object is destroyed either when calling "delete" or when
going out of scope for s
Am 16.02.2014 17:18, schrieb Elie Morisse:
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I think it's about time I gave back to this wonderful community.
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
rules:
Has to be called -min
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I think it's about time I gave back to this wonderful community.
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
rules:
Has to be called -minimal
Has to fulfill Walter's original post.
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 05:27:07 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:53:19 -0500, Denis Koroskin
<2kor...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 02:57:25 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
I think that the best and quickest approach at this time is
to disall
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 11:43:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
In D1 Tango added a new method, "dispose", to Object. This
method is called when an object is destroyed either when
calling "delete" or when going out of scope for scope declared
objects.
Forgot to say, other GC objects are s
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 02:57:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
New is not the issue. The expectation, when I write my class,
that it will be cleaned up by the GC, is the issue.
I remember this little nugget of paradox from the documentation
of classes:
"This means that when the g
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:53:19 -0500, Denis Koroskin <2kor...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 02:57:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I think that the best and quickest approach at this time is to disallow
classes. They are not trivial. If we can figure out a clean way to ad
+1 especially if it shows the amount allocated as well.
On 14 Feb 2014 21:10, "Kagamin" wrote:
> I don't think, everything should be done by the compiler. Most trouble
> with gc is that its usage can't be traced similar to tls, so the feature
> will be diagnostics similar to -vtls option, say, -v
On Sunday, 16 February 2014 at 02:57:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 07:33:04 -0500, Jakob Ovrum
wrote:
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 15:56:16 UTC, Steven
Schveighoffer wrote:
Classes are typically written with an expectation that the GC
will clean them up. I don't t
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 07:33:04 -0500, Jakob Ovrum
wrote:
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 15:56:16 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Classes are typically written with an expectation that the GC will
clean them up. I don't think you can just get rid of that expectation.
A class written without
On 2/15/14, 4:52, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2014-02-15 05:55, 1100110 wrote:
6) unittests (silent failure)
These should be kept since they can be accessed with __traits(getUnitTests)
Awesome!
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 15:56:16 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
Classes are typically written with an expectation that the GC
will clean them up. I don't think you can just get rid of that
expectation. A class written without the assumption of the
runtime is a very different object, an
On 2014-02-15 05:55, 1100110 wrote:
6) unittests (silent failure)
These should be kept since they can be accessed with __traits(getUnitTests)
--
/Jacob Carlborg
Daniel Murphy, el 14 de February a las 22:10 me escribiste:
> "1100110" wrote in message news:tjgimnoqoflzrcrlw...@forum.dlang.org...
>
> >I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
> >(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
>
> I'd say just put it on bountysource, because then ther
On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 04:55:32 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
Then what I actually want is for -betterC to be cleaned up and
renamed (and Documented!)
BTW I did *not* actually use -betterC for my minimal.zip. I've
been playing with it a bit recently to make an even more minimal
thing, but I'm
On 2/14/14, 22:44, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 04:34:30 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
Is it just ModuleInfo, or...?
Yeah, that's pretty much all it actually does, and it isn't quite
complete - array bounds checking for example won't work because they
depend on module info.
But
On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 04:34:30 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
Is it just ModuleInfo, or...?
Yeah, that's pretty much all it actually does, and it isn't quite
complete - array bounds checking for example won't work because
they depend on module info.
But I don't think they should depend on i
On 2/14/14, 22:20, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 04:13:49 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
1. Disable Garbage Collector (suggestion: -nogc)
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1886
Oh dmd! Why won't you build on my computer!? Why!?
3. Disable ModuleInfo
On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 04:13:49 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
1. Disable Garbage Collector (suggestion: -nogc)
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1886
3. Disable ModuleInfo (suggestion: -nomoduleinfo)
dmd -betterC though note
https://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_b
On 2/14/14, 20:40, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"Denis Koroskin" wrote in message
news:wjdvvungwvpemwmxl...@forum.dlang.org...
I'll throw in $300 extra (maybe more), but can you please first
formalize the requirements (list of flags, and what each flag
should mean, required unittests to pass etc).
R
"Denis Koroskin" wrote in message
news:wjdvvungwvpemwmxl...@forum.dlang.org...
I'll throw in $300 extra (maybe more), but can you please first
formalize the requirements (list of flags, and what each flag
should mean, required unittests to pass etc).
Required unittests are very helpful, spec
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I think it's about time I gave back to this wonderful community.
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
rules:
Has to be called -minimal
Has to fulfill Walter's original post.
On 2014-02-14 22:02, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
That's... old. Why doesn't DMD start using it? 10.7 came out in 2011.
It wasn't that old until recently, when 10.9 was released. It's the same
as with everything else. Someone just have to commit time and implement
it. I guess this is a bit di
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:39:24 -0500, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2014-02-14 16:42, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I'm 90% sure that MacOS does not natively support TLS, and uses the
core.Thread class to store it.
OS X support TLS natively since 10.7, but DMD still uses emulated TLS on
OS X.
Th
On 2014-02-14 16:42, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I'm 90% sure that MacOS does not natively support TLS, and uses the
core.Thread class to store it.
OS X support TLS natively since 10.7, but DMD still uses emulated TLS on
OS X.
Yes, this also depends on moduleinfo, like static ctor/dtor.
On 2014-02-14 15:07, Daniel Murphy wrote:
It's probably platform dependent, I guess it should work everywhere that
C supports TLS.
Well, on OS X it's natively supported on since 10.7 but DMD still uses
emulated TLS:
Dynamic cast can be disabled.
Sure, but should it be an error or be repl
On 2014-02-14 14:50, 1100110 wrote:
This does come with a cost.
I dont know enough about TLS to comment really. Thoughts?
Dynamic cast can be disabled.
static this/~this is tougher. If it is possible for it to work, then it
should.
This requires ModuleInfo, if I recall correctly.
profili
I don't think, everything should be done by the compiler. Most
trouble with gc is that its usage can't be traced similar to tls,
so the feature will be diagnostics similar to -vtls option, say,
-vminimal. The compiler can write the trace of runtime usage in
machine-readable format to stdout (fo
"Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message
news:op.xa929juueav7ka@stevens-macbook-pro.local...
>> static this/~this is tougher. If it is possible for it to work, then
>> it should. I feel that this is more of a language feature.
>
> These might work with init sections, but maybe not.
No, stat
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:46:19 -0500, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 15:34:16 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I think classes heavily depend on druntime, I believe Walter was
indicating they would not be allowed (which trivially excludes class ==)
My problem with exclu
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 13:04:32 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
Got any thoughts?
3. Disabling runtime type information and module information...
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 15:34:16 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
I think classes heavily depend on druntime, I believe Walter
was indicating they would not be allowed (which trivially
excludes class ==)
My problem with excluding them is that it isn't hard to bring in
the druntime part
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:07:35 -0500, Daniel Murphy
wrote:
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl6v6$255r$1...@digitalmars.com...
I dont know enough about TLS to comment really. Thoughts?
It's probably platform dependent, I guess it should work everywhere that
C supports TLS.
I'm 90% sure
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:09:21 -0500, Daniel Murphy
wrote:
TLS, dynamic cast, profiling, static this/static ~this, assert, -cov,
-profile, class == and synchronized all rely on druntime code.
Also, D classes will fail to link without Object.
I think classes heavily depend on druntime, I be
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl9fj$28g6$1...@digitalmars.com...
> I don't think it's worth throwing out assert over. A runtime that
> supported assert + Object would be about 8 lines and would IMO be
> worthwhile.
But then where do we stop?
This is why I think it's an excellent idea to hav
On 2/14/14, 8:07, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl6v6$255r$1...@digitalmars.com...
I dont know enough about TLS to comment really. Thoughts?
It's probably platform dependent, I guess it should work everywhere that
C supports TLS.
Dynamic cast can be disabled.
Sure
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl6v6$255r$1...@digitalmars.com...
I dont know enough about TLS to comment really. Thoughts?
It's probably platform dependent, I guess it should work everywhere that C
supports TLS.
Dynamic cast can be disabled.
Sure, but should it be an error or be repl
On 2/14/14, 7:09, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl2pf$20b0$1...@digitalmars.com...
I want a way to disable the GC, and have the compiler verify that no
GC allocations may occur.
I want a way to disable Exceptions, and have the compiler verify that
no Exceptions may occ
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 12:39:11 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
Can you name anything I'm missing?
* no module info
* no runtime type info
* treat TLS as __gshared for single threaded programs
Mike
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldl2pf$20b0$1...@digitalmars.com...
I want a way to disable the GC, and have the compiler verify that no GC
allocations may occur.
I want a way to disable Exceptions, and have the compiler verify that no
Exceptions may occur.
Good, this is what I had in mi
On 2/14/14, 5:42, Francesco Cattoglio wrote:
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 11:28:30 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I thought that would be best, unfortunately.
Bitcoins are nice, but bountysource is the way to go. It's both more
official and easier to contribute to the bounty.
Meh, I just have a lot mo
On 2/14/14, 5:45, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldkuku$1sgt$1...@digitalmars.com...
I don't think we'll ever please everyone here. All I'm really trying
to do by specifying the name is prevent some cutesy annoying name.
It's pretty hard to get a pull request in with a
"1100110" wrote in message news:ldkuku$1sgt$1...@digitalmars.com...
I don't think we'll ever please everyone here. All I'm really trying to
do by specifying the name is prevent some cutesy annoying name.
It's pretty hard to get a pull request in with a silly switch name, so I
wouldn't worry
On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 11:28:30 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
I thought that would be best, unfortunately.
Bitcoins are nice, but bountysource is the way to go. It's both
more official and easier to contribute to the bounty.
I'd be fine with the switch being name -nodruntime, and
honestly I lik
On 2/14/14, 5:10, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"1100110" wrote in message news:tjgimnoqoflzrcrlw...@forum.dlang.org...
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
I'd say just put it on bountysource, because then there's more chance
others will add
"1100110" wrote in message news:tjgimnoqoflzrcrlw...@forum.dlang.org...
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
I'd say just put it on bountysource, because then there's more chance others
will add to it.
rules:
Has to be called -mi
On 2/14/14, 0:22, John wrote:
I haven't gone into the history, but the only thing to really object to
is 'gc' surely. Isn't the rest of it fairly innocuous?
J
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
1. moduleinfo
2. exception handling
3. gc
4. Object
Why object to gc
I haven't gone into the history, but the only thing to really
object to is 'gc' surely. Isn't the rest of it fairly innocuous?
J
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 23:14:20 UTC, 1100110 wrote:
1. moduleinfo
2. exception handling
3. gc
4. Object
I think it's about time I gave back to this wonderful community.
I'm offering a $50 bounty on this.
(Preferably Bitcoins, but I'll use bountysource if desired.)
rules:
Has to be called -minimal
Has to fulfill Walter's original post. (listed below)
Has to split the separate parts into different f
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