On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 13:28 +, Abdulhaq via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
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[…]
> Herb Sutter is a national treasure, C++ has become bearable, nay
> even useful, under his stewardship and that is really saying
> something
s/national/international/
Herb's closing keynote at ACCU 2017
On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 18:22 +, Dibyendu Majumdar via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
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> So why was Java successful? It was not compatible with an
> existing language.
Java has a weird history compared to other languages. It switched from white
goods programming language to browser
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 15:45 +, Dagmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 12:17:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > Of course C++ is now really a niche language used by those who
> > still use it and do not move on to more modern languages!
>
> I am a C++ developer. I
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 18:22:54 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar wrote:
So why was Java successful? It was not compatible with an
existing language.
Neither Rust nor Go are compatible with C++.
Rust, D and Go are all compatible with C in some sense.
Basically Herb is claiming to succeed a
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 10:21:19 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
wrote:
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 21:00:09 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar
wrote:
To be honest the analysis doesn't quite stack up. Because
compatibility is not the reason for the success of Go, or Rust.
I think that's a
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 13:03:12 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 11:13:41 UTC, claptrap wrote:
If you're doing a plugin the host callback thread wont be
known to the D runtime and so the GC wont pause it. So as long
as you dont call anything that might trigger
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 12:36:09 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 11:13:41 UTC, claptrap wrote:
If you're doing a plugin the host callback thread wont be
known to the D runtime and so the GC wont pause it. So as long
as you dont call anything that might trigger the GC while
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
Great talk. Similar to what I was trying to say in my DConf19
talk but in many ways
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
Herb Sutter is a national treasure, C++ has become bearable, nay
even useful, under
On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 at 11:12:22 UTC, aberba wrote:
It requires someone with C++ knowledge to start, then we'll
take care of driving in more idioms. Like a GitHub wiki or
something. The D wiki more appropriately for centralization.
Anyone up for it?
D and C++ are VERY different
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 11:13:41 UTC, claptrap wrote:
I'm working on virtual audio instruments and effect processors
and they do their job in real-time. GC is luxury in this
context. If I switched to D, I'd have to also switch from OOP
to simple C-like structured programming and implement
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 11:13:41 UTC, claptrap wrote:
If you're doing a plugin the host callback thread wont be known
to the D runtime and so the GC wont pause it. So as long as you
dont call anything that might trigger the GC while in the
callback you wont get GC pauses affecting the
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 10:13:02 UTC, Dagmar wrote:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 21:29:31 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
Then don't turn it off. :)
I understand there are programs where an undeterministic delay
in processing is unacceptable but those programs all run on
real-time operating
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 21:00:09 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar wrote:
To be honest the analysis doesn't quite stack up. Because
compatibility is not the reason for the success of Go, or Rust.
I think that's a misinterpretation of what was said.
Compatibility is not a reason for success -- but
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 21:29:31 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
Then don't turn it off. :)
I understand there are programs where an undeterministic delay
in processing is unacceptable but those programs all run on
real-time operating systems anyway, right? ;)
I'm working on virtual audio
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 15:44 +, Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
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[…]
> And that is completely wrong headed. Internet is not always
> directly accessible. There are a lot of companies that restrict
> access to the Internet for their security sensible servers,
>
[…]
>
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 20:41 +, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
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> Rust has only standardized part of the async/await story, the
> asynchronous
> runtime is not part of the standard library, so currently it is
> impossible to write code that works flawlessly across the
>
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 21:29:31 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 6/29/20 8:45 AM, Dagmar wrote:
> If I shouldn't use
> const, how should I emphasize the intention to pass a pointer
only for
> reading? How can I be sure that my class invariant is not
compromised?
> Also, there is the shared
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:45:48 UTC, Dagmar wrote:
Sometimes there is only one way to find out why it behaves like
it does: to ask in this forum. And you may not like the
answers. D has transitive const, but what if I should lazy
evaluate/cache a value or use a mutex? If I shouldn't use
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:54:36 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:45:48 UTC, Dagmar wrote:
D has a GC. If you turn it off you lose dynamic/associative
arrays, classes, probably something else.
You just have to construct them with a function instead of with
the
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 12:17:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 10:31 +, IGotD- via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On the other hand people are stopping using C++ in favour of
Go, Rust, Python, but it seems not D.
This isn't a fact by the way, there are many people
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 22:44:51 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 22:23:57 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
In reality you can actually disable the GC and still use:
- classes
- associative arrays (dplug:core)
- dynamic arrays if you manage their lifetime
Honestly, a guide how
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 22:23:57 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
In reality you can actually disable the GC and still use:
- classes
- associative arrays (dplug:core)
- dynamic arrays if you manage their lifetime
Honestly, a guide how to do this would be very helpful. I'm
particularly
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:45:48 UTC, Dagmar wrote:
D has a GC. If you turn it off you lose dynamic/associative
arrays, classes, probably something else.
This is the outside perception of the way things are.
In reality you can actually disable the GC and still use:
- classes
- associative
On 6/29/20 8:45 AM, Dagmar wrote:
> I am a C++ developer.
I used to be a C++ developer; luckily, I primarily write in D these
days. (I can still code in C++ and will have to do so again soon.)
> I do want to move to a modern language, but there
> is no one that fits my needs.
[...]
> Go is
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 18:29:54 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:41 +, Paulo Pinto via
Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
Concepts, coroutines, and modules are already in ISO C++20.
Only once the standard is voted in. :-)
Also ranges are in I believe.
And
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:41 +, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
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> Concepts, coroutines, and modules are already in ISO C++20.
Only once the standard is voted in. :-)
Also ranges are in I believe.
> And co-routines are in a much better story than the incompatible
>
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 16:47:27 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:44:38 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
[snip]
And that is completely wrong headed.
+1
As much as I'm sympathetic to the arguments for a slim standard
library, the amount of problems I've had in a corporate
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:44:38 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
[snip]
And that is completely wrong headed.
+1
As much as I'm sympathetic to the arguments for a slim standard
library, the amount of problems I've had in a corporate setting
trying to get libraries installed behind
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 15:45:48 UTC, Dagmar wrote:
D has a GC. If you turn it off you lose dynamic/associative
arrays, classes, probably something else.
You just have to construct them with a function instead of with
the built-in `new` operator. (Well, associative array will need a
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 12:17:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
Of course C++ is now really a niche language used by those who
still use it and do not move on to more modern languages!
I am a C++ developer. I do want to move to a modern language, but
there is no one that fits my needs.
Rust has
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 12:17:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 10:31 +, IGotD- via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Another rant…
…batteries included standard libraries are a thing of the 1990s
and earlier. They are a reflection of pre-Internet thinking.
You got a
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 12:17:57 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 10:31 +, IGotD- via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
Back to C++20 and beyond which Herb Sutter refers to a lot. Is
C++20 a success, or even C++17? Does anyone know this? Modern
C++ isn't a programming
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 10:31:43 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
Back to C++20 and beyond
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 10:31 +, IGotD- via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>
[…]
> Back to C++20 and beyond which Herb Sutter refers to a lot. Is
> C++20 a success, or even C++17? Does anyone know this? Modern C++
> isn't a programming standard so what I've seen is just a mix of
> everything.
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 21:00:09 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar wrote:
To be honest the analysis doesn't quite stack up. Because
compatibility is not the reason for the success of Go, or Rust.
I would say the success of a language depends on many factors:
Think of a reasons of why people are
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
Back to C++20 and beyond which Herb Sutter refers to a lot. Is
C++20 a success, or
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 00:24:22 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 21:00:09 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar
wrote:
[...]
* Community
* Strong die hard advocate
* Tutorials, learning resources
Those are the stuff I personally think I can't contribute more.
I meant opposite, jeez
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 21:00:09 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar wrote:
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
To be honest the
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
To be honest the analysis doesn't quite stack up. Because
compatibility is not the
On Saturday, 27 June 2020 at 15:48:33 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have
failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
He touches on, why we should have @safe by default and the
importance of the C++
How to answer "why will yours succeed, when X, Y, and Z have failed?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHfaH9Kffs
Very insightful talk.
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