[digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing, outer FEC, Inner FEC, coding to symbol, modulation of symbol(s)

2010-06-06 Thread Lester Veenstra
Robert: A DSP software engineer, smarter than you and me, can certainly write a diagnostic that will take the digitized audio, from a sound card A/D, and attempt to do what we do by ear. Typically such software, which does exist in other environments, relies on a number of human

[digitalradio] Inquiry

2010-06-06 Thread Wes Linscott
I am quite new to digital modes and I often have trouble identifying what mode I'm hearing/seeing. Is there a website which has examples of the various modes which would help me? Wes W1LIC

Re: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing, outer FEC, Inner FEC, coding to symbol, modulation of symbol(s)

2010-06-06 Thread Robert Bennett
Many thanks, Les, for your comprehensive answer which has greatly increased my understanding of the issue. Not quite as straightforward as I imagined! 73 Robert

[digitalradio] Re: Bad sound card?

2010-06-06 Thread Neil
Are you sure it is not just an EMC issue? Have you tried listening on the PC speaker without the rig connected? Neil G7AQK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Cowgar jer...@... wrote: Hello, When purchasing a new radio this last week I decided to also set my computer up how it

Re: [digitalradio] Inquiry

2010-06-06 Thread Andy obrien
This is a good place to start. http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.12/Modes/ Andy K3UK On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Wes Linscott w1...@ymail.com wrote: I am quite new to digital modes and I often have trouble identifying what mode I'm hearing/seeing. Is there a website which has

Re: [digitalradio] Inquiry

2010-06-06 Thread Robert Bennett
Hi Wes Try this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOmrgJkFY40feature=related 73 Robert - Original Message - From: Wes Linscott To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:37 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Inquiry I am quite new to digital modes and I

[digitalradio] The Roger Tory Peterson Guide to Digital Modes

2010-06-06 Thread Andy obrien
Since the Roger Tory Peterson Guide Institute is in my local county, I guess I should adapt his famous birding field guide concept, and apply it to the often asked question about recognizing digital modes. Roger Tory Peterson laid out his guide in a logical manner , clustering similar

Re: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing, outer FEC, Inner FEC, coding to symbol, modulation of symbol(s)

2010-06-06 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 03:22 AM 6/6/2010, you wrote: (in part) In the end, systems like ROS, Clover, PACKTOR-XXX, etc, where there is not full published trasparency in the encoding process, are not suitable for legal amateur use, in my humble opinion. In other words, no one has the right to make money from their

RE: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing, outer FEC, Inner FEC, coding to symbol, modulation of symbol(s)

2010-06-06 Thread Lester Veenstra
You can of course protect your intellectual property. But such a commercial format belongs on commercial frequencies. That is, it has no place as a format used for amateur radio. Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM mailto:les...@veenstras.com les...@veenstras.com

Re: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing, outer FEC, Inner FEC, coding to symbol, modulation of symbol(s)

2010-06-06 Thread Rik van Riel
On 06/06/2010 10:48 AM, John Becker, WØJAB wrote: At 03:22 AM 6/6/2010, you wrote: (in part) In the end, systems like ROS, Clover, PACKTOR-XXX, etc, where there is not full published trasparency in the encoding process, are not suitable for legal amateur use, in my humble opinion. In other

Re: [digitalradio] source coding,

2010-06-06 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I just do not believe amateur operators should use such protocols on the amateur bands. Such protocols ? What makes you say that?

RE: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing

2010-06-06 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
By the same thinking (that being that a commercial company) is making any money should you not put kenwood and yaesu into the same? Or how about that mean money making company that made your sound card interface. or microsoft. John, W0JAB At 10:12 AM 6/6/2010, you wrote: You can of course

RE: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing

2010-06-06 Thread Lester Veenstra
John: I am sorry that I did not make myself clear enough. My argument is directed to transmitted signal formats. That is, what is covered by §97.307 Emission standards. Les Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM mailto:les...@veenstras.com les...@veenstras.com

Re: [digitalradio] Bad sound card?

2010-06-06 Thread Rik van Riel
On 06/05/2010 03:24 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: Do you have any ideas? It's just $10, but I'd really like to have a dedicated sound card for the ham stuff, and please do not suggest a Signalink as I already have a nice setup, I know your problem - the sound card's too expensive :) I got a

Re: [digitalradio] source coding, Randomizing

2010-06-06 Thread Alan Barrow
Lester Veenstra wrote: I am sorry that I did not make myself clear enough. My argument is directed to transmitted signal formats. That is, what is covered by §97.307 Emission standards. All the FCC requires is that the protocol/algorithm be made available if required. Does not have to

[digitalradio] Odd mode around 7057

2010-06-06 Thread obrienaj
While on 7056 CW today, I heard a loud digital signal that was unfamiliar to me. It was very wide, and sounded a little like across between JT65A and ROS. I wonder if it is some new ROS mode and they are trying it out in an odd part of the band. Andy K3UK