Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-27 Thread Michael Keane K1MK
At 03:44 PM 9/26/06, Dave Bernstein wrote: >So my longwinded answer to your question, Bill, is the human operator >is at fault, as he or she is ignoring the band plan. Given normal circumstances, I'd certainly agree with you, Dave. But a more relevant question might be this: would there be any fa

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-26 Thread Brett Owen Rees VK2TMG
Anthony, Is a 1KHz guard band really required? At 22 WPM, these beacons are not very wide bandwidth-wise, something like 88 Hz. So, if you were operating at 14100.4 you were not really interfering - as if they ran a very narrow filter they would be able to hear the CW beacons with no QRM from you.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-26 Thread Robert Chudek - KØRC
radio product being taken to the commercial marketplace. Like I said, maybe it's time for the beacon system to move to the next level too. 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Michael Keane K1MK To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-26 Thread Jose A. Amador
Dave Bernstein wrote: > So my longwinded answer to your question, Bill, is the human operator > is at fault, as he or she is ignoring the band plan. > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ Seems reasonable when explained that way. While it is not a problem for people with modern radios and well calibrated

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-26 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:40:54 -0700, Chris Jewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Whether the FCC (and other national administrations) treat violating >an IARU Region band plan as violating the "good amateur practice" >provision of the rules is unclear to me. However, an OO notice,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-26 Thread Michael Keane K1MK
At 11:51 PM 9/25/06, Patrick Soileau wrote: >I fail to see where beacons are more important than QSOs. They're not. Which is why the FCC rules do not permit US stations to operate automatically controlled beacons on HF; and why W6WX and KH6YY require STAs for their beacon operations. 73, Mike

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Jewell
Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) writes: ... > Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a > voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. > Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO > would be real abuse of power

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Salomao Fresco
Hi! Inspite of the global characteristics of this Group, wich I proudly subscribe, most of the messages are writtten by US citizens, regarding US rules and US practices and US bandplan (Region 2). However most of the writers forget that there are two other IARU Regions and National Bandplans. You

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Salomao Fresco
Hi Jose Amador has hit the proverbial nail in the head: "...the world is wider." Monitoring the Beacons since 2003 Best regards Sal CT2IRJ On 9/25/06, Jose A. Amador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If the beacons are moved, I am not sure where they would receive less QRM, > if on the low

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
I asked a while back about how many logging and contesting programs have band plans in them. Given that 14.100 is in the IARU Band Plan, we should be encouraged to follow it. Leigh/WA5ZNU Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW R

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread KV9U
Could not agree more. Unless some infraction of the rules are being made, it is highly improper for any ham to criticize another ham for their legal operations. To my knowledge, the amateur radio rules here in the U.S. only restrict the 14.100 frequency from use by the fully automatic 500 Hz st

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Jose A. Amador
If the beacons are moved, I am not sure where they would receive less QRM, if on the low end contending with CW DX or in the high end contending with the "family radiotelephones" Something elseOO's only have jurisdiction within the US...the world is wider. So, a well thought solution i

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-25 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-24 Thread kd4e
>> There certainly have been plenty of reports of >> callsign-unidentifiable Pactor-like signals QRMing >> ... doc, KD4E >> > I have not seen any pactor-like signals on 14100.0. All the > interfering stations have been conventional RTTY FSK. > Bonnie KQ6XA Interference between modes is not limit

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-24 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
If 14.100 turns out to be a particular problem, maybe an automated webpage archive of all text decoded from 14.100 (in various modes) woukd be useful. I did an SSTV archive page once, but I had to discontinue it because of all of the P0RN images... I didn't want that on my website. Leigh/WA5ZN

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame

2006-09-24 Thread kd4e
> Paul Elder wrote: > Certainly this is not a good thing, but wouldn't > it be more advantageous to instruct these folks > privately rather than post this list where it > really serves no benefit? Even if they happen > to be members of this group and would read this > post, is this they way