Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On > Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne > > Anybody here like OS X? Why? I’m not trolling. I’m curious. Why would > somebody want to use this terrible piece of proprietary poop? I like OSX because Running OSX as the host OS is literall

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On > Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne > > It just bugs me that something simple like, I need an IRC client that doesn’t > suck Yeah, the best solution is a mac with windows & linux VM's running in it. Every platform has some stuff that

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Anthony Gabrielson
Hi Rich, The article I was referencing was for 13" Macbook Pro, not an Air (my mistake): http://loicpefferkorn.net/2015/01/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-retina-2014-with-dm-crypt-lvm-and-suspend-to-disk/ With that said, I'm not sure if I follow you. I think you're saying that battery life isn't t

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
Our network has iMacs, Macbook Airs, Mac Minis, and Ubuntu systems. I like them all of them for different reasons. But in my experience, the Macs are not as reliable under load, and applications can more easily crash the OS (particularly MS Office). My wife regularly runs 20 Mac applications at o

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:18:44PM -0500, Eric Chadbourne wrote: > Nevertheless Apple is making incredible profits. Guess I’m wrong. > http://investor.apple.com/secfiling.cfm?filingid=1193125-14-157311&cik=320193 Look for Net Sales by Product. Apple is a phone and tablet manufacturer with a si

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Matt Shields
Going back as far as '95 I've been using Linux and ever since then I've tried over and over to use Linux on the desktop. Each time I'd have limited success, usually the main reason for going back to Windows on the desktop is because of some corporate software needs (most often Office, Outlook, Pro

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Matt Shields
Also, I should add that back in the 2009-10 timeframe, besides the MSOffice issues. The other major issues I had were hardware related. I spent a good deal of time dealing with wifi or printer trying to figure out how to get them to work, or why they stopped working for unknown reasons. I'm sure

[Discuss] Event Timestamps

2015-02-12 Thread Kent Borg
I'm getting old. Back in olden days the Machintosh did a graphical user interface. Many scoffed it wasn't for power users, but the Apple people did some solid work. Much of which is lost to the sands of time. Specifically, doing some playing with pygame (rather cool, I do admit) I am shocked

Re: [Discuss] Event Timestamps

2015-02-12 Thread Mike Small
Kent Borg writes: > store with the event (Python makes is to easy to put it in an > attribute), yet they don't capture something so basic. They do an > event queue, but don't tell me when the events happened. It is one > thing to not tell me about a double-click, but to not even give me the > data

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/11/2015 10:18 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: Can’t imagine using this OS as a server. Where’s RMS? Help, back me bro! Eric, We may be able to save you. S-L-O-W-L-Y reach in your pocket, grab your nail clippers, and cut the white cord that is tied around your wrist. There may be places whe

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/12/2015 7:49 AM, Anthony Gabrielson wrote: With that said, I'm not sure if I follow you. I think you're saying that battery life isn't that good? The author of the article above is No, I'm saying that Flash is a pig. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss maili

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Hi Ed, I can understand your point on using OS X as the host OS but that is more of a limitation of OS X and not the other operating systems. How do you like vmware? I’ve been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there’s only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for th

[Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
I'm starting a new thread instead of hijacking the os x = poop thread. Eric Chadbourne wrote: Hi Ed, How do you like vmware? I’ve been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there’s only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for that. I wonder if it will be disconti

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread John Hall
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson < agabriels...@comcast.net> wrote: ​​ I do think Docker would make a good replacement/supplement for package > management - it is a completely self contained instance that just shares a > kernel. ​Docker shares a kernel on linux distros. On

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Are you the John Hall who brought Linus to the states back in the day? If yes, you are fascinating and if we ever bump into each other I would love to buy you a beer and listen to stories. You don’t have to hack around anymore to get netflix working on gnu/linux. At least it worked for me a c

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:58:19PM -0500, Eric Chadbourne wrote: > Are you the John Hall who brought Linus to the states back in the day? If > yes, you are fascinating and if we ever bump into each other I would love to > buy you a beer and listen to stories. > > You don’t have to hack around a

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Joe Polcari
VirtualBox -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Horne Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:37 PM To: BLU Discussion List Subject: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there? I'm starting a new thread instead of hijac

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On > Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne > > Hi Ed, > > I can understand your point on using OS X as the host OS but that is more of a > limitation of OS X and not the other operating systems. Agreed. But that's a philosophical point, whi

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Jack Coats
Like Xen (xenproject.org)? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Bill Horne wrote: > I'm starting a new thread instead of hijacking the os x = poop thread. > > Eric Chadbourne wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> > > How do you like vmware? I’ve been using virtualbox for years but I heard >> recently there’s

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
I've been using VirtualBox, but need to check out Xen because VirtualBox locks up hard due to a 3-yr old networking bug that isn't getting any attention. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10624 https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12264 Greg Rundlett http://eQuality-Tech.com http://freephile.org On

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/12/2015 1:40 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: I can bitch and gripe all I want about Apple's policies and how their products are designed to benefit *them* with consumer lock-in, etc etc blah blah. Nobody's listening. Don't be so hard on yourself: there are people listening, but those

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/12/2015 1:40 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne How do you like vmware? I’ve been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there’s only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Martin Owens
On 12 February 2015 at 14:46, Bill Horne wrote: > selling more Apple products, not making the FOSS movement stronger. No, that's what the general public does. Apple is anti-foss, not just neutral to FOSS when you tot up their track record. Martin, ___

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Joe Polcari
Says it's fixed? -Original Message- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Greg Rundlett (freephile) Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:51 PM To: Jack Coats Cc: BLU Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there? I'v

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/12/2015 4:16 PM, Martin Owens wrote: No, that's what the general public does. Apple is anti-foss, not just neutral to FOSS when you tot up their track record. https://www.apple.com/opensource/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/ The first link is a list of all of the FOSS projects that Apple

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/12/2015 4:57 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: Says it's fixed? Three years to fix a bug that crashes the VM and takes out the host with it. No, I had to stop using VirtualBox because of this bug and a three year turnaround on a fix isn't going to get me to change my mind about not using it. VMw

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread John Abreau
If you want to run Windows as a VM on a Linux host, there's always KVM. It's all native Linux, no proprietary licenses to worry about. I've used it to run Linux guest VMs, but a quick google search turns up a bunch of links about running a Windows 7 guest under KVM. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:3

Re: [Discuss] Are there any no-cost vm's still out there?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On > Behalf Of Bill Horne > > My question: does VMWare or Virtualbox still offer no-cost software for > home/personal use? I'd like to run both Linux and Windows 7 (for all the > usual reasons), but I don't know if I can do it with