Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread John Abreau
So the OP is asking for help figuring out how to manage these processes, and your response is to tell him that it's up to him to manage them? Not a particularly useful response. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 6/22/2015 6:40 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: > >> That doesn't

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Don Silvia
Yeah, I love me some Thinkpads. Used them at work for 10 years now, but I have to run Windows there. I just picked up a T420 on ebay for home use, Linux (Mint) just works. I bought this one to replace my T60 which is still running Linux just fine but the fan is getting loud, again. I replac

Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2015 6:40 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: That doesn't (necessarily) address the issue I was raising about an out of control app wreaking havoc on the rest of the system. Just a different flavor of havoc. Yes, it does. The kernel isn't there to baby sit. It's there to allocate resources whe

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Rohan Joshi wrote: > The T60 was amazing and linux worked out of the box. > So if I can get my hands on a thinkpad then that's wonderful. Microcenter , MIT Flea, and the interwebs have T60/T61 or T420/520/430/530 refurbs that were still built tough, linux compati

Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 6/22/2015 3:38 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 6/22/2015 3:13 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: >> What strikes me as odd and wrong is that the OS doesn't seem to protect >> itself from thrashing. The system is perfectly happy to render itself >> inoperative in the service of some lone process sucking up

[Discuss] inevitability of bad code (was Re: sandboxing web browsers)

2015-06-22 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM, John Abreau wrote: > I've seen plenty of piss-poor coding done in perl, > python, C, Fortran, and every other language I've ever reviewed. I don't think i ever saw piss-poor Ottawa Euclid, but the prerequisite maths (higher order logics) kept the user community p

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
You might want to just install VirtualBox on Windows, and use Windows as the host. Use Windows only for booting. Your performance shouldn't be bad, but you'll have to tweak the update settings in Windows so it doesn't reboot out from under you. Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://fre

Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2015 3:13 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: What strikes me as odd and wrong is that the OS doesn't seem to protect itself from thrashing. The system is perfectly happy to render itself inoperative in the service of some lone process sucking up memory. Don't like swap thrashing? Shut off swap.

Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread Matthew Gillen
I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, "Have more RAM" or "Have enough RAM for what you need". Which is obviously true, but missing the point. For my day-to-day, I do have enough RAM. What sometimes happen

Re: [Discuss] sandboxing web browsers

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2015 12:19 PM, John Abreau wrote: That fact that an incompetent buffoon can misuse a tool to create badly designed software does not mean that it's impossible for a skilled programmer to use the tool correctly to create well-designed software. Agreed. But what I've been seeing from Doc

Re: [Discuss] sandboxing web browsers

2015-06-22 Thread John Abreau
So your point is that some developers create piss-poor Docker deployments, and therefore Docker is a piece of shit?. That logic could be applied to any development system. I've seen plenty of piss-poor coding done in perl, python, C, Fortran, and every other language I've ever reviewed. That fact

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Rohan Joshi
Yep I had my mother's old T60 but I acted in haste, returned it to her before coming to USA and bought the yoga 2 13, thinking that I'd be better off getting a new system for school. As it turns out, getting Linux to work with ultrabooks is a hassle. I tried the WiFi blacklisting solution, but I wa

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Jack Coats
I have a fairly recent T-series. T540p. When I have to, the pad works once I got used to it. I saw where Lenovo is taking a hint and going back to 'real buttons' on the trackpad, so I would look for that before jumping. I just didn't know better and trusted Lenovo to not do something to far off

Re: [Discuss] SSD Drives

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2015 11:34 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: Does one require a Windows box to upgrade the firmware or can it be upgraded from Linux? :) I dunnow. Did you check Samsung's support web site? -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lis

Re: [Discuss] SSD Drives

2015-06-22 Thread Derek Atkins
Richard Pieri writes: > On 6/20/2015 9:27 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> At last Wednesday's BLU meeting a discussion was started regarding some >> issues with the Samsung SSD drives and some bugs in their firmware. >> In my case I didn't have my laptop, but I have an Intel SSD not that it >> matter

Re: [Discuss] Firefox -> Icecat

2015-06-22 Thread edwardp
Although I have extremely limited knowledge of FSF/GNU's position on free software, I thought perhaps Icecat would not include extra bells and whistles that Firefox has - things that would slow down the browser. On June 22, 2015 10:40:08 AM EDT, Richard Pieri wrote: >On 6/22/2015 10:36 AM, edw

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Rohan Joshi wrote: > I am tired with the Lenovo systems and the various issues that keep > coming up. (I have tried on the yoga 2, the flex and the Y series). The enterprise T-series Lenovo had been fine, but I'm hearing the latest models that no longer have mi

Re: [Discuss] sandboxing web browsers

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/21/2015 10:38 PM, Tom Metro wrote: The Docker daemon runs as root. If the non-privileged user starting FF is put in the docker group and allowed to start any container, then yes, they have root. If instead a SetUID script or sudo rule is used to launch a specific container, which does not la

Re: [Discuss] Firefox -> Icecat

2015-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2015 10:36 AM, edwa...@linuxmail.org wrote: Regarding the recent discussion about Firefox and its flaws, would Icecat be a suitable replacement for it? It's GNU's (FSF?) version of Firefox. It's offered with Fedora, not sure about the other distros. Why would it? IceCat and IceWeasel (D

[Discuss] Firefox -> Icecat

2015-06-22 Thread edwardp
Regarding the recent discussion about Firefox and its flaws, would Icecat be a suitable replacement for it? It's GNU's (FSF?) version of Firefox. It's offered with Fedora, not sure about the other distros. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http:/

Re: [Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Dan Ritter
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:00:07AM -0400, Rohan Joshi wrote: > Hello all, > > I need you people to recommend a good and stable laptop that would be > able to run Linux for my school coursework. > > I am tired with the Lenovo systems and the various issues that keep > coming up. (I have tried on

[Discuss] A laptop for Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Rohan Joshi
Hello all, I need you people to recommend a good and stable laptop that would be able to run Linux for my school coursework. I am tired with the Lenovo systems and the various issues that keep coming up. (I have tried on the yoga 2, the flex and the Y series). Does anyone own one of the System

Re: [Discuss] memory management

2015-06-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/21/2015 05:58 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 03:39:46PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: When a process tries to allocate more pages than the total of clean and unallocated pages in the page cache, well, that's an overload. Overloaded system is overloaded. Game over. Install mo