Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey With only a moment's thought, and only a few words, how do you describe the value that your role adds to the organization? How do you justify your own

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 12/15/2011 10:56 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies of typical corporations or typical

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread markw
You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies of typical corporations or typical organizations, etc. Somebody uses a term like overhead

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 12/16/2011 07:46 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: On 12/15/2011 10:56 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 12/16/2011 09:44 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote: So the biggest thing you need to do IMHO is not let people conflate overhead with non-essential. Just to beat this horse a little more: overhead is a technical term for accountants; non-essential is a judgment call about value to the company and

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Richard Pieri
On 12/15/2011 10:56 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: With only a moment's thought, and only a few words, how do you describe the value that your role adds to the organization? How do you justify your own existence, casually, when talking to a CFO or somebody in a social situation? I'm the guy who

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Rich Braun
You wrote: Justify your existence Over the years, I've learned that the answer to this question is: you can't. If someone asks it in those words or similar, then if they had their druthers they'd call Amazon EC2 or some place in Bangalore and say, I'll have two of those, how much do they cost?

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/16/2011 12:41 AM, Jack Coats wrote: Here are a few personal truisms about 'overhead'. A long time ago, I found that you are 'overhead' if you are not in the 'Business of the Business'. If you a banker or teller you are in the banking business, if you are in IT, or marketing, or

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread john saylor
hi On 12/16/2011 11:13 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote: Someone whose primary goal is blame avoidance is someone I would run away from as fast as I could. They aren't going to go anywhere, and if they somehow do manage to climb the corporate ladder in spite of their pile of failures, it won't be in a

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-16 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 12/16/2011 11:26 AM, john saylor wrote: while i am sometimes delighted by someone taking unexpected altruistic action [even just 'telling the truth'], i am rarely disappointed when i expect people to act in the most selfishly destructive manner possible. especially among the 'powerful' in

[Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies of typical corporations or typical organizations, etc. Somebody uses a term like overhead or

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-15 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.comwrote: You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies of typical

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-15 Thread Jack Coats
Here are a few personal truisms about 'overhead'. A long time ago, I found that you are 'overhead' if you are not in the 'Business of the Business'. If you are in healthcare doctor or a nurse, you are in the business, if you are mopping the floors in a hospital, doing IT, doing accounting, you

Re: [Discuss] Justify your existence

2011-12-15 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/15/2011 10:56 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: You're in a social situation - at a party or something - You're talking with some CFO or otherwise interesting financial person about work, and Dilbert cartoons, and the wastefulness and inefficiencies of typical corporations or typical