On 01/22/2012 01:20 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On Jan 22, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
This analogy is wrong. It isn't construction workers, but people who
participate in the design of a bridge. They don't all need to be PEs; a
PE ultimately may have to sign off on their work (at
On 1/23/12 9:27 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
but few are licensed. How many EEs does NSTAR or National Grid have on
their payroll, and of those what percentage are licensed.
More than none, I should expect. Even in a worst case where NSTAR has
no licensed EEs on staff they have people educated
On 01/23/2012 12:13 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On 1/23/12 9:27 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
but few are licensed. How many EEs does NSTAR or National Grid have on
their payroll, and of those what percentage are licensed.
More than none, I should expect. Even in a worst case where NSTAR has
no
On 01/22/2012 08:00 AM, Mark Woodward wrote:
In some ways we are to blame. We software engineers have not taken our
profession seriously. We have not created and/or joined the
professional organizations, like doctors, lawyers, electricians, and
pipe-fitters, to define and protect our
On Jan 22, 2012, at 2:18 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
Says who? People who are PEs? Look up the word engineer on dict.org.
None of the definitions say *anything* about licensure.
Says the Commonwealth of Massachusetts:
http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/licensee/dpl-boards/en/
--Rich P.
On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Jared Carlson wrote:
Come on guys... I have an ME and have done software engineering as well as
analysis for DoD, etc.. There's a place for both, you need professional
engineers who understand guidelines and procedures, etc, but you also need
the theoretical
In all this, I would like to see Engineers and Architects be licensed
individuals, controlled by regulatory boards.
IMHO, the terms 'software engineer' and 'software architect' should be
banned, and replaced with the
'old school' terms of programmers and analysts.
There is noting wrong with the
On Jan 22, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote:
This analogy is wrong. It isn't construction workers, but people who
participate in the design of a bridge. They don't all need to be PEs; a
PE ultimately may have to sign off on their work (at least for public
infrastructure), but that's
The trouble is that a PE certification proves:
1) You managed to make it through an engineering degree program
2) You practiced as an engineer for 4 years or so
3) You can test well. (Which, given that you got a degree, is likely.)
I know people who meet all these requirements, and are actively
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM, j...@trillian.mit.edu wrote:
An ongoing semi-problem that dictionary makers have always had is that people
routinely try to use them as authorities for what a word *should* mean. The
actual function of a dictionary isn't to decide what words mean, but
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Richard Pieri wrote:
On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Mark Woodward wrote:
Does anyone have any comment?
Yeah, but it's more rant than anything else. You've been warned.
The title Engineer has a specific, legal meaning.
It also has several
http://www.mohawksoft.org/?q=node/86
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 13:39, Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
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i understand the point, but i think it gets back to just using the
most talented people you can find. then again, i'm not one to focus on
labels too much ...
a rose by any
Allow me to join your rant Richard, with minor adjustments.
Yes, undoubtedly the word Engineer is easily and cheaply used in the
software and IT world, but some folks in the software world do justify
the title. People that take nothing, or close to nothing and make a
working system out if it .
On Jan 21, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Guy Gold wrote:
Allow me to join your rant Richard, with minor adjustments.
Yes, undoubtedly the word Engineer is easily and cheaply used in the
software and IT world, but some folks in the software world do justify
the title.
Well, no, I don't agree. I'm not
Case in point, this article that just came down through Slashdot:
http://www.digitalbond.com/2012/01/19/project-basecamp-at-s4/
Imagine a highway or building or train or airliner being designed and
constructed to the same standards that these SCADA systems were made. Take it
another step:
: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering
Case in point, this article that just came down through Slashdot:
http://www.digitalbond.com/2012/01/19/project-basecamp-at-s4/
Imagine a highway or building or train or airliner being designed and
constructed to the same standards that these SCADA systems
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