[gaf@gaf ~]$ ps -ef | grep firefox
gaf 2734 2259 8 06:31 tty2 00:03:27 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox
gaf 3143 2734 0 06:32 tty2 00:00:01
/usr/lib64/firefox/plugin-container
/opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk.so -greomni
/usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:02:01 -0500
Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 02:45:13AM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
On June 25, 2015 at 4:39 PM Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org
wrote: If you browse daily, and browsing is causing your problem,
then it seems
On June 25, 2015 at 4:39 PM Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote:
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:13:13PM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef
with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, Have more
RAM or Have
On 6/26/2015 2:45 AM, Peter Olson wrote:
Blaming the victim is unproductive.
M-x snark-mode
What? We're not blaming the computer for thrashing and crashing when
unreasonable demands are being made of it. We're blaming the user for
abusing and overwhelming the poor, mistreated computer.
On June 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/2015 2:45 AM, Peter Olson wrote:
Blaming the victim is unproductive.
M-x snark-mode
What? We're not blaming the computer for thrashing and crashing when
unreasonable demands are being made of it. We're
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 01:45:51PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
Unreasonable demands such as leaving Netsol Webmail running overnight and
having
to kill Firefox in the morning :-)
(This may have been fixed in a recent upgrade of Webmail.)
Well that certainly seems to suggest that it was not
On June 26, 2015 at 2:04 PM Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 01:45:51PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
Unreasonable demands such as leaving Netsol Webmail running overnight and
having
to kill Firefox in the morning :-)
(This may have been fixed in a
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 02:45:13AM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
On June 25, 2015 at 4:39 PM Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote:
If you browse daily, and browsing is causing your problem, then it
seems clear to me that you do not.
Blaming the victim is unproductive.
No, sticking your
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 05:57:06PM +0200, Bill Bogstad wrote:
xhost +SI:localuser:myffuser
sudo -u ffuser /usr/bin/firefox
xhost -SI:localuser:myffuser
It's not an issue on a single user box; it's the same user (human) with a
different UID.
This is where I disagree. If it
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 03:18:03PM +0200, Bill Bogstad wrote:
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote:
I'm curious though, how this other user account gains access to your
X server. Allowing other user ids to write on your screen/capture
key mouse events seem to
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:13:13PM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef
with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, Have more
RAM or Have enough RAM for what you need. Which is obviously true,
but missing the point.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:46:33AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
The memory leak wrt Firefox has been an issue for those users (not
community...users) for years.
There are so many reasons to use a distro over Ubuntu.
Note I did not refer to Ubuntu as a distro...
At any rate, there is a fix
I use Firefox on several Linux systems and one MacOS Snow Leopard system.
I've never seen this problem on the Linux systems, but both Firefox and
Google Chrome would routinely use up the memory on the MacOS system to the
point where the entire system became unresponsive, and all too often I had
to
I think plugin-container doesn't get launched until it needs something
like the flash plugin.
On 6/23/2015 10:03 PM, John Abreau wrote:
ps x | grep plug yields nothing but the grep process.
ps x -o pid,ppid,cmd | grep 12345 (where 12345 is firefox's PID) yields
nothing but the grep process.
I think plugin-container doesn't get launched until it needs something
like the flash plugin.
which, if you're running NoScript, is under your control.
(If not, why not ? :-)
--
Bill Ricker
bill.n1...@gmail.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux
Matthew Gillen wrote:
I think plugin-container doesn't get launched until it needs something
like the flash plugin.
Right. That's been my observation. It doesn't get used for extensions.
Only plugins, and I think only ones using a legacy API at that. And is
loaded only when needed.
-Tom
--
Also tried the following bash script on MacOS Snow Leopard desktop, and the
system is running much better now, after I killed the running instance of
firefox and then ran the script from an xterm to relaunch firefox.
#! /bin/bash
ulimit -d 350 ; ulimit -v 350 ; ulimit -m 300
A bit of googling turned up a page about using cgroups to limit firefox's
memory usage.
http://jlebar.com/2011/6/15/Limiting_the_amount_of_RAM_a_program_can_use.html
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on tuning my linux
On 6/23/2015 2:04 AM, John Abreau wrote:
So the OP is asking for help figuring out how to manage these processes,
and your response is to tell him that it's up to him to manage them? Not a
particularly useful response.
No, he was complaining about how the kernel doesn't do it for him.
As a
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:38:30 -0400
Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
On 06/23/2015 10:18 AM, John Abreau wrote:
A bit of googling turned up a page about using cgroups to limit
firefox's memory usage.
http://jlebar.com/2011/6/15/Limiting_the_amount_of_RAM_a_program_can_use.html
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:13:13 -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef
with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, Have more
RAM or Have enough RAM for what you need. Which is obviously true,
but missing the point.
For
So the OP is asking for help figuring out how to manage these processes,
and your response is to tell him that it's up to him to manage them? Not a
particularly useful response.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 6/22/2015 6:40 PM, Matthew Gillen
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:48 PM, John Abreau j...@blu.org wrote:
Shouldn't plugin-container be running if firefox is running?
'top' truncates mine to 'plugin-containe', but that does contain 'plug'.
--
Bill Ricker
bill.n1...@gmail.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux
ps x | grep plug yields nothing but the grep process.
ps x -o pid,ppid,cmd | grep 12345 (where 12345 is firefox's PID) yields
nothing but the grep process.
I'm running Firefox 38.0.5, which is the latest release. I use a script I
wrote long ago to fetch the latest tarball from ftp.mozilla.org
I just checked three different machines firefox (Fedora 22, CentOS 6.5, and
MacOS Snow Leopard).
All three have an active firefox browser running, but none show a running
process named plugin-container, nor any process with a name containing
the string plug There are also no processes whose
On 6/22/2015 3:38 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
On 6/22/2015 3:13 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
What strikes me as odd and wrong is that the OS doesn't seem to protect
itself from thrashing. The system is perfectly happy to render itself
inoperative in the service of some lone process sucking up
On 6/22/2015 6:40 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
That doesn't (necessarily) address the issue I was raising about an out
of control app wreaking havoc on the rest of the system. Just a
different flavor of havoc.
Yes, it does. The kernel isn't there to baby sit. It's there to allocate
resources
On 06/21/2015 05:58 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 03:39:46PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote:
When a process tries to allocate more pages than the total of clean
and unallocated pages in the page cache, well, that's an overload.
Overloaded system is overloaded. Game over. Install
I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef
with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, Have more
RAM or Have enough RAM for what you need. Which is obviously true,
but missing the point.
For my day-to-day, I do have enough RAM. What sometimes happens
On 6/22/2015 3:13 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
What strikes me as odd and wrong is that the OS doesn't seem to protect
itself from thrashing. The system is perfectly happy to render itself
inoperative in the service of some lone process sucking up memory.
Don't like swap thrashing? Shut off
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote:
You can override its behavior my modifying the desktop file
(/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop in Gnome 3)
The statement 'Exec=firefox %u' is the line to modify.
You could place your modified copy in
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 6/21/2015 9:18 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
I use multiple Firefox user profiles instead. Some of them allow
cookies/javascript and others do not.
This probably doesn't help memory usage, but it does allow some
On 6/21/2015 9:18 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
I use multiple Firefox user profiles instead. Some of them allow
cookies/javascript and others do not.
This probably doesn't help memory usage, but it does allow some (small?)
security benefits.
Or use a script blocker like NoScript or uBlock. These
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
I've found that if you use
su - username
then you can run X programs as another user without trouble.
IIRC that requires a permissive setting on the X server to allow any to
connect to execute graprics, which may
You can override its behavior my modifying the desktop file
(/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop in Gnome 3)
The statement 'Exec=firefox %u' is the line to modify.
You could place your modified copy in ~/.local/share/applications
I have not tried this, but it should work.
Instead of su -,
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:23:28 -0400
Tom Metro tmetro+...@gmail.com wrote:
I've considered a low-tech solution, like having a background script
pop-up a notification when free RAM drops below some threshold to
prompt me to restart various long running and leaking processes.
That's not a half
At work I have a version that does. I'll post that tomorrow.
On 06/21/2015 09:18 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org
mailto:g...@blu.org wrote:
You can override its behavior my modifying the desktop file
Matthew Gillen wrote:
If I try to run Firefox, and a few java apps (e.g., Eclipse), my
machine thrashes about and effectively locks up because of
out-of-memory issues.
After going on like this for literally 10 minutes, OOM-killer sometimes
kills the right thing...
I've noticed this as well
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:58:12 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 03:39:46PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote:
When a process tries to allocate more pages than the total of clean
and unallocated pages in the page cache, well, that's an overload.
Overloaded system is overloaded. Game
Agreed. My netbook has 1G of memory and actually ran virtualbox
surprisingly well while I was giving a presentation using Libre Office
Impress. It might be possible that you have an issue with your memory.
Try running a memory diagnostic.
On 06/19/2015 10:32 AM, Eric Chadbourne wrote:
On
I don't agree with shutting firefox down every time you are finished.
Virtual memory should mitigate this if you focus on another task, but.
Many web sites are very active so they keep requiring system resources
even if firefox is not actively being used. Maybe just closing some tabs
of
Thanks for the suggestions.
Addressing some random questions:
-this is a Fedora box. Currently v21, but I've had these types of
issues for years.
- top, when I can get it to run, shows virtually no CPU use. The only
thing that is getting to run is kswapd0 if I recall correctly.
- I do have
Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net writes:
going to start swapping if it can. What I want for desktop environments
is behavior like: if you run out of memory, kill the thing that's
hogging the most. My typical case is that if there is a process using a
ton of memory, it's probably doing
On 6/20/2015 4:18 PM, Mike Small wrote:
Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net writes:
going to start swapping if it can. What I want for desktop environments
is behavior like: if you run out of memory, kill the thing that's
hogging the most. My typical case is that if there is a process using a
I'm looking for some advice on tuning my linux box's memory management.
I've got an older workstation that has merely 4GB of memory. If I try
to run Firefox, and a few java apps (e.g., Eclipse), my machine thrashes
about and effectively locks up because of out-of-memory issues.
For example: the
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:57AM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on tuning my linux box's memory management.
I've got an older workstation that has merely 4GB of memory. If I try
to run Firefox, and a few java apps (e.g., Eclipse), my machine thrashes
about and
How Swap and Memory are used is controlled largely by the 'swappiness'
setting. The default is correct for servers but not for workstations.
swap - How do I configure swappiness? - Ask Ubuntu
The Linux kernel provides a tweakable setting that controls how often
the swap file is used, called
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:01:57 -0400
Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on tuning my linux box's memory
management. I've got an older workstation that has merely 4GB of
memory. If I try to run Firefox, and a few java apps (e.g.,
Eclipse), my machine thrashes
16GB seems like a small amount of memory to me; I generally use 24GB or
more. Different strokes...
--DTVZ
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Mike Small sma...@panix.com wrote:
4.0 GB seems like a large amount of memory to me. It's way more than
I have a use for.
*Drew Van ZandtArtisan's
On Jun 19, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Matthew Gillen m...@mattgillen.net wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on tuning my linux box's memory management.
I've got an older workstation that has merely 4GB of memory. If I try
to run Firefox, and a few java apps (e.g., Eclipse), my machine thrashes
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 02:44:35PM +, Marcia K Wilbur wrote:
I'm not sure what you are using for the OS but I'll guess - Ubuntu
or some variant of Ubuntu..
If so, stop doing that. If not, let us know. Then, maybe there are
other solutions.
The memory leak wrt Firefox has been an issue
On 6/19/2015 10:01 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
Does anyone have any tips on how to prevent linux from thrashing like
that? The behavior when low on memory seems atrociously bad.
Install more RAM or stop using programs that use more RAM than you have.
--
Rich P.
Jerry Natowitz j.natow...@rcn.com writes:
My advise on Firefox is to close it down completely whenever you have
finished using it. There seems to be a lot of memory leaking, I've
seen Firefox grow into multi-gigabyte virtual size in a matter of
hours.
I leave it running all the time and
My advise on Firefox is to close it down completely whenever you have
finished using it. There seems to be a lot of memory leaking, I've seen
Firefox grow into multi-gigabyte virtual size in a matter of hours.
I have not experimented with shutting down Firefox with multiple windows
and tabs,
Hardware design, several things. Primarily EM simulation and big FPGA sim,
complex analog sim, or just big schematics. When doing a schematic review,
it is helpful to have half a dozen or more large PDFs (datasheets) open
while viewing schematics, a few spreadsheets, some Word Visio design
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
I haven't seen any stats quoted in your email, from the top program,
that indicate it's a RAM problem. Firefox and its pet
plugin-container use a heck of a lot of CPU. Until very recently I
was using a 4GB machine,
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