Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 21/10/2010 18.46, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: While I do absolutely agree that there should be no divide, (heck, I'm no developer myself), I also think that certain activities are appreciated but cannot constitute the only basis for membership consideration. But here, we're going down into d

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 10/21/2010 5:18 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: > I'd just like to make sure I'm clear on this, OK? If I get a message > with a Reply-To header, and respond to it using Reply, not only does the > response go to those in the Reply-To header, Yes it goes to everyone in the Reply-To header... > but tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 10/21/2010 8:14 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: > "Barbara Duprey" wrote in message > news:4cc0ba20.70...@onr.com... >> Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly haven't used forums in >> too long, I've never seen this. It still doesn't help with a forum >> analog of this conversation, though, sin

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 10/21/2010 6:28 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > Many forums, and wiki pages, allow you to tick a box to "watch" them, > even if you didn't originate them, and then you'll get a notification of > each response. I agree, though, that it's a nuisance to not have the > response itself show up in one'

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Barbara Duprey" wrote in message news:4cc0ba20.70...@onr.com... On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster whenever a response is posted to a thread they created. Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly hav

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 17:09 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: > On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > > Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster > > whenever a response is posted to a thread they created. > > Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly haven't

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Howdy Barbara I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two top-level ones, as for OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main di

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 12:02 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an enormous difference there, as well. Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you back up there to the openoffice level you are actuall

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 9:52 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of people not getting responses they would benefit from. I totally disagr

[tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting Minutes 2010-10-20 Available

2010-10-21 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi everyone, the most recent Steering Committee meeting minutes are available: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2010-10-20 Agenda 2010-10-20: * Update on: get discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) * Web

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 4:38 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > Youre right *but* AFAIK the digest mails are a container of the mails > sent during the day. And *those* single mails hold the footer of the > original one posted. Ahh... right. forgot about that... interesting problem... Probably should add th

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Charles, *, Charles Marcus schrieb: >On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >> This line has been modified because there is a different way to >> unsubscribe from digest lists. We had a thread here complaining >> about digest users couldn't unsubscribe at all. > ?? That makes no sense

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Michel, 2010/10/21 Michel Gagnon > Le 2010-10-21 03:25, David Nelson a écrit : > > Hi, :-) >> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:50, David Nelson >> wrote: >> >>> If you're a power user, one might prefer to have a purely >>> icon/tooltip-based interface? >>> >> Actually, one program UI that I p

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ciao Gianluca, Le Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:37:14 +0200, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : > Il 20/10/2010 17.37, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: > > yes. So now, do you like what you see?:-) > > Well, generally speaking, yes. > > I'm just a bit worried about the point of view about membership > expressed b

[tdf-discuss] Mac Java update breaks LibreOffice

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Gusaas
The latest Java update for Macs breaks Java (1.6.0_22) use in LibreOffice and OOo. There is a OOo bug report (it is a showstopper for OOo 3.3) : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=115180 Also has been discussed on: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3

[tdf-discuss] Adoption of LibreOffice

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
There's an interesting article about OpenOffice 3.3 beta in Computer Weekly (the world's first weekly computer magazine) this week. It's at http://www.computerweekly.com/galleries/243287-1/First-look-at-OpenOffice-beta.htm. It's 10 short comments each accompanied by a photo. The 5th "slide" has

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 21:58, Michel Gagnon wrote: > Very nice indeed. However, I still haven't found a way to do anything > significant with it whereas I have no such problems with Draw or Visio. > But it brings the other question: Inkscape is also another vector-based > program that wo

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:10 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.08: >> Well, as a blanket statement that isn't true of mailman... >> >> One example: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-us...@python.org/msg37624.html >> >> MM3 is going to be mucho better in this regar

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 9:20 PM, MiguelAngel wrote: > On 21/10/10 2:40, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: >> I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being >> expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users >> -- our customers. >> >> Why are we expending so much time and energy to produ

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Eduardo Moreno
El 20/10/10 19:40, Jean Hollis Weber escribió: If you don't want to expend the time and energy to support people at their own level, that's okay. Just don't get directly involved with users; do something else. --Jean In Mexico, three companies are working on updating our solutions to Libre

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: > In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more > likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of > people not getting responses they would benefit from. I totally disagree. The only time this wouldn't work is i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:23 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: >> Can the Reply-to header not be fixed (by the list manager software or by >> an associated script) to include the OP if that OP is not subscribed? > > if someone submits a patch for mlmmj, our mailing lists software, then > yes. Otherwise no. Ok

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:22 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: >> Bummer... my point is that non-subbed posters should simply be sent a >> REJECT message with instructions on how to subscribe - or better, a nice >> instructive web page with detailed instructions on th

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Florian is already working on a solution using a webform or something > like that, so please keep your mood and wait a bit longer. > > I know that it is unsatisfactory to see problems addressed earlier to > reappear - but even if the day would have

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > This line has been modified because there is a different way to > unsubscribe from digest lists. We had a thread here complaining about > digest users couldn't unsubscribe at all. ?? That makes no sense. Each list has it's *own* footer, right (if no

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-21 03:25, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:50, David Nelson wrote: If you're a power user, one might prefer to have a purely icon/tooltip-based interface? Actually, one program UI that I personally find nicely laid out is Inkscape... Obviously, this would

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-21 01:26, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.18: (including lists) for the long run... Anyway, at a minimum, I would dearly love to see simple list specific pages for subscribing/unsubscribing. Mailman generates these out of the box, so its not

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 17.37, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: yes. So now, do you like what you see?:-) Well, generally speaking, yes. I'm just a bit worried about the point of view about membership expressed by Drew Jensen. Developers are surely a part of the Community core, but just a part. I've re

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
- Original Message - From: "Florian Effenberger" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane? Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: Bummer... my point is that non-subbed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Sebastian Spaeth" wrote in message news:87tykgrn1e@sspaeth.de... On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:40:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. While I agree th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:40:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by > a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. While I agree that organizing good user support is important, I feel that most of the dis

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:17:47 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > If there is so much time wasted dealing with non-subscribers, then we > need to re-evaluate our lists and take a close look at what we are doing > wrong. Our LibO suite is so popular that so many new users call on us > for help. Then we sho

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Florian Effenberger" wrote in message news:4cbfcdf9.4000...@documentfoundation.org... Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: Bummer... my point is that non-subbed posters should simply be sent a REJECT message with instructions on how to subscribe - or better, a nice instructive web

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Florian Effenberger" wrote in message news:4cbfd099.7050...@documentfoundation.org... Hi, Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-19 21.09: The following is from http://gmane.org/post-details.php . Note "the MAIL FROM envelope has to be someth...@gmane.org. It is currently the address that Gmane is

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:50, David Nelson wrote: > If you're a power user, one might prefer to have a purely > icon/tooltip-based interface? Actually, one program UI that I personally find nicely laid out is Inkscape... Obviously, this would be more of a power user's layout, and you co

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen meant to write: - sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was _not_ talking about you the individual there. > > Ahh, yes of course Sorry! Silly me ! > Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubs

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:36:10 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > I think the measurement is : > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > derived works. > 2. what if you just remove the code That doesn't work for contributions other than code, e.g.: - artists - Usability

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/10/20 11:33 PM Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-19 21.09: The following is from http://gmane.org/post-details.php . Note "the MAIL FROM envelope has to be someth...@gmane.org. It is currently the address that Gmane is subscribed to". I still don't get it